Limit The Speed Of The Xr6 Turbo ?

[Velvet Glove]

Read what you wrote and it would be obvious.

She went around a 90 bend at 140 in the rain. What caused her to leave the road? Simple physics I'd suggest. Unfortunately for you stupidity does not actually appear in any of Newtons Laws. Yes it was stupid, of course it was. But stupidity didnt make the vehicle leave the the road, its speed did. The combination of the vehicles speed and shifting momentum caused by cornering, plus the slippery conditions caused the vehicle to lose traction and leave the road.

The girl could have been as silly as a wheel but if she went around the successfully at 40 then her sustained stupidity would not have made her leave the road. A person not so silly, who thought they could handle the speed, would have had the same result. Plenty of silly people on the road, not all have accidents. Watch a car race on TV and see the occasional driver try to negotiate a corner too quickly. No one would suggest they are silly drivers, yet they often have their vehicles performance fall short of their expectations.

Physical things cause accidents, no one dies from stupidity. People may die as a result of the physical consequences of it, but no one dies of it.

This discussion is now getting very silly

[Chris xr6]

Riddle me this then. Somebody approaches a bend where they should be doing no more than 60. They hit the bend at 90 and, because of the speed, leave the road hit a tree and kill all the vehicles occupants. The driver was sober, well rested and had 10 years behind the wheel. Do you reckon speed caused that one?

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No I would call this driver inexperience from the conribution of the driver not knowing the limits of his driving ability and also his cars!

[tab]

How many pieces can we split a hair into?

Trent.

[sixfan]

Welcome back VG, I've missed you.

I don't think speeding can be considered the cause of these accidents. It's poor driver ability to choose an appropriate speed for the road conditions, stemming from insufficent driver training and / or insufficent experience.

[Honest Gaza]

VG....I don't pretend to know to what extent speeding causes accidents and will leave that in the hands of others who are better versed.

However, from a Policeman's perspective....would you agree that Speed Cameras do not appear to be the answer in lowering the incidence of speeding, given the latest stats released by the nsw Govt ?

Camera locations are known, and therefore have limited "enforcement". Surely, more police cars on the road would be a better deterrent.

[Slymeat]

I have to agree with VG, I have had probably as much experience as him, as well as being in the CIU ( Crash Investigation Unit ).

1. Wheels- A couple of issues ago they printed an article from a Sydney based solicitor giving people advice on what to do when pulled over. Without going into the complexities the advice was dangerous and actually incited people to break the law in certain situations. ( Professional magazine yes, Advise always accurate, I think not.)

2. Thanks for the advice next time I go to a fatal, I won't bother with the measurments to calculate the speed because I don't need them it will save me time though I'll just let everyone off with a stiff warning.

3. Speed cameras are of use especially those in school zones, if you get done tuff as stated the locations are listed. ( except the camera cars which should me unmarked ).

4. There are many track days when you can go in relative safety.

5. For some of us the issue of reducing road trauma is our job, and this can only be done if we are afforded the right to issue penalties for dangerous or stupid driving. If you can't penalise then you are usless.

I am although it sounds critical not having a go at anyone, but that said the general populus are not the experts they think they are.

P.S. If I get done by a camera I won't be pleased but T.S.

[Cro]

It's a nudge bar Gazza

:surrender:

[JB]

How about we limit Politicians?

[Turbo6man]

Speed kills. Simple and true. No one ever died in a car that wasn't moving. Unless he was parked under a building collapse or something. So given the indisputable fact that speed is a contributing factor in virtually every motor vehicle fatality what do we do? Simple, if you REALLY care about saving lives and make THAT your priority. You limit vehicles to a maximum speed such that if a collision occurred between two said vehicle approaching each other, ie the worst case scenario, then the occupants will survive. Having regard to the present safety systems employed in modern cars this speed would be less than 40kph. Any politician wishing to stand for election on a platform of saving lives on the road must advocate this. Anything less is a waste of breath and only an excuse to increase taxes on road uses by PRETENDING to care about saving lives. I've said it before and here it is again: the governments have a vested interest in people dying on our roads. It allows the speed kills outcry, the supercar outcry, and allows them to introduce more and more revenue raising ventures all in the name of road safety.

[FPV 521]

VG....I don't pretend to know to what extent speeding causes accidents and will leave that in the hands of others who are better versed.

However, from a Policeman's perspective....would you agree that Speed Cameras do not appear to be the answer in lowering the incidence of speeding, given the latest stats released by the nsw Govt ?

Camera locations are known, and therefore have limited "enforcement".  Surely, more police cars on the road would be a better deterrent.

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I agree. If I know the police are doing a clamp down I am more wary. I dont speed that often but from time to time I do. Sometimes by mistake and sometimes on purpose.

I agree speed is the ultimate thing that causes the damage but I have made the odd mistake while driving and think to myself afterwards "why the hell did I do that"and hopefully learn from it.

Think that makes sense. Probably doesnt but I have had a few beers. Good subject this.