Limit The Speed Of The Xr6 Turbo ?

[sharkey]

Add to this, the admission from NSW Government that a motorist is caught by a speed camera every 80 secs.  We are constantly told that these are not meant as revenue raisers, but deterrents.

Surely this admission is evidence enough that as a deterrent....it's not working.

In which case....their sole purpose must be for revenue raising.

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Not only that, but as they increase the number of speed cameras they budget for more revenue from speed cameras. Now surely if it really was a deterrent they should budget for less revenue, rather than more. :lol:

[Honest Gaza]

Damn straight sharkey

[toca_rop]

I am a volunteer ambo in the country and of all the car accidents I went to I would have to say none of them were caused by speeding.they were usaully caused by fatigue,alcohol,drugs,inexperience or not paying attention.The funny part is I could do 160kph+ driving out to them but heaven forbid if I go 5kph over the speed limit when im going back home

[Velvet Glove]

With all due respect (as I have for all volunteers) how would you know what the primary causes of these accidents were if you weren't actually investigating the causes?

Of course many accidents are caused by inexperience, fatigue, etc etc, but I have been to hundreds of prangs that have involved speed. Watch the TV and see how many single vehicle accidents occur on otherwise decent roads (many with P platers) when cars virtually disintegrate. These accidents are caused primarily by speed which, when coupled with other things as inexperience, leads to the tragic outcome.

Ambos are the experts in the care of trauma victims of all kinds and I have the utmost respect for them, however coppers, if people bothered to actually listen, can tell you what % of prangs are caused by speed.

[toca_rop]

speed does not cause accidents it is simply a factor that determines the severity of the accident,its not really that hard to tell what the primary cause of an accident is when the driver is pissed or has said "I must have fallen asleep" .If speed was the biggest single cause of accidents then there would be a hell of alot more accidents than there currently is and the word speed doesnt mean going over the speed limit either.If we were all to listen to the crap on t.v about speeding then if we didnt speed there would be no road deaths right?

[Velvet Glove]

What load of rubbish !

Riddle me this then. Somebody approaches a bend where they should be doing no more than 60. They hit the bend at 90 and, because of the speed, leave the road hit a tree and kill all the vehicles occupants. The driver was sober, well rested and had 10 years behind the wheel. Do you reckon speed caused that one?

15 years in the coppers, time in a traffic branch and attendance at hundreds (probably thousands) of prangs has caused me not just to think this, but to know it

At no stage have I said that speed is the biggest single cause of accidents. Read what I posted. If people paid attention to their capabilities with respect to speed then yes, we unequivocally would have less accidents. Ask someone who, as a profession, investigates them. They will all tell you the same thing.

Yes many, many accidents are caused by circumstances other than speed. But I can tell you that an absolute ton of them are caused by speed, or losing control because of the speed.

If you think speed does not cause or is a major contributing factor in many accidents then, in all honesty, you really need to do some research

[Flukey]

Glove man, can you qualify what the term"speed " means. Is it doing 100km/hr in a 100km/hr zone in driving rain? Is it going round a bend on the same road at the same speed? Is that speeding? Is 65 in a 60 zone speeding?

Just interested to understand your interpretation because my understanding of speed related incidents (accidents) is they take into account the conditions as well. Meaning, that 60 in a 60 zone could still be determined as speeding in less than ideal conditions.

[toca_rop]

What load of rubbish !

Riddle me this then. Somebody approaches a bend where they should be doing no more than 60. They hit the bend at 90 and, because of the speed, leave the road hit a tree and kill all the vehicles occupants. The driver was sober, well rested and had 10 years behind the wheel. Do you reckon speed caused that one?

If the bend was sign posted as 60 then I would say stupidity caused that.

15 years in the coppers, time in a traffic branch and attendance at hundreds (probably thousands) of prangs has caused me not just to think this, but to know it

At no stage have I said that speed is the biggest single cause of accidents. Read what I posted.

I didnt say u did, I was simply making a statement making a statement

If people paid attention to their capabilities with respect to speed then yes, we unequivocally would have less accidents.

I agree with this

Yes many, many accidents are caused by circumstances other than speed. But I can tell you that an absolute ton of them are caused by speed, or losing control because of the speed.

If you think speed does not cause or is a major contributing factor in many accidents then, in all honesty, you really need to do some research

yes I said speed was a factor and I dont need to do research because there was an article in wheels or motor a couple of months ago done by some experts in to the causes of mva's, SPEED ranked #17 in the list the top 4 from memory were

1 fatigue

2 inattenion

3 alcohol

4 reversing

I am not having a go at you I am only stating what I and many other people believe, you have your opinion which I respect and I have mine

[Velvet Glove]

"because there was an article in wheels or motor a couple of months ago done by some experts in to the causes of mva's"

I'm not having a go either but experts in MVAs in Wheels or Motor? Most of them would never have been to the site of a major accident in their lives.

The experts I'm talking about are ones that investigate accidents every single day of their lives, and its their job. The 'experts' those magazines would have selected would no doubt be ones that suited their agendas. Those magazines are controlled by motoring groups who agendas are as perverted as several governments.

'Speed' is when you are going too fast for the conditions, IMHO. 100km/h in hailing rain is downright stupid. 120 through a 90 degree bend the same if you know what I mean. You dont have to exceed the speed limit to be going too fast but I can think of 4 accidents I have been to off the top of my head where a total of 8 lives were lost because of nothing short of incredible speeds. One was losing it going 140 around and 80 bend, the rest similiar excessive speeds in ideal driving conditions. If the drivers werent going so fast the results would have been far less tragic. Anyone who disagrees with that would have had a different opinion looking at the drivers smashed legs in front of them, and the rest of the body 20m up the road.

I'm outta this topic

[toca_rop]

A few months ago I went to an mva where the 17yro female driver was doing 140+ in the pissing rain around a 90 posted bend and ended up rolling several times luckily she was the only occupant and wasnt killed, but honestly what do you say is the cause of the accident speed or down right bloody stupidity.