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[Blown BA]

Dynowog....you make some good valid points too :lol:

[GlennAUII]

OK then 

can someone fill me in why a car with a supercharger is any different to a turbocharged car for insurance premiums.  They both basically do the same thing just different principals.

And how they fit into the mod scheme of things.

I don't see why a supercharged 6 can't perform as good as a turbocharged 6 running the same boost give or take a kw or 2

macka

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Well Macka when l had my AU Supercharged it was insured with AAMI and had no problems

Now as for power difference

Superchargers give you power immediatly, while only Saab's light pressure turbos offer no existing lag. other turbos will have some lag, even if its just a little bit that no one would care about.

Superchargers produce more heat, specially roots type blowers. turbos generate heat but technology for them has allowed them to cool down a lot better.

Superchargers work at a slower speed, usually around 8 psi max, while turbos can go way beyond insane numbers (like 50psi). so generally, a turbo of the same level of an SC will produce less power.

SC's produce alot of noise and vibration, specially vortech ones. for those of you who have never gotten into a car with a vortech SC, do so. it sounds nice but its loud, like a roaring loud sound. turbos just usually sound like a little turbine and produce a little whistle while spooling up.

Turbos also have their own effects on causing power loss on the engine, not just the SC. Turbos cause backpressure on the engine, mainly on the exhaust side, this causes a bit of power loss, but nothing major compared to SC's belt driven power loss.

Turbos can be controlled much better. with nowadays' technology, even the amount of boost per rpm level can be controlled. meanwhile, the SC can only be controlled with a pulley, and it only controls the maximum PSI level.

SC's have an average longer lifetime than turbos, but if you know how to take really good care of the turbo, then it can even outlast an SC. as long as you stick to the turbo's efficiency range and take good care of the car, it will be just fine.

that's all l can think of for the moment

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Hey george can we have some more info about your AU? its a really hot car

What power figures does it give out?

Glenn

[Blown BA]

Glen at the time l started my project with the Au l had 257kw with an STA S/C and was controlled by a Unichip. Then l spent big dollars and went the Vortech S/C with a Motec behind it and got well over 375kw with some little more extras behind it. My Webpage

[macka'sxr6t]

macka and george both have some valid points and as an outsider with heaps of supercharger tecnology experince I must say these things:

macka go for it! prove them wrong and if you need help just call.

std xr6t = centrifical s/c only 100 times better

macka the higher comp of the non t engine combined with low boost would pull the bum of a mack truck!

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Thanks for the offer Dynowog. I'll be in touch once I get this turbo sorted.

What ECU would you recommend?

Would this Boss Edit be of any value? assuming it materializes

"macka the higher comp of the non t engine combined with low boost would pull the bum of a mack truck!"

That's what I reckon and want to give it a go.

macka

[Guest]

Thanks for the offer Dynowog. I'll be in touch once I get this turbo sorted.

What ECU would you recommend? if you had to go external tunning ems!

Would this Boss Edit be of any value? assuming it materializes dependant on price the edit should be awsome for kits!

"macka the higher comp of the non t engine combined with low boost would pull the bum of a mack truck!" oohh yeahhh

That's what I reckon and want to give it a go.

macka

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[macka'sxr6t]

Don't mean to knock you're idea, but I don't think it's a viable project. Not for the 6 anyway. The initial outlay will be quite substantial I imagine.

Even though I have my doubts, I still wish you the best of luck of course. Would love to see what you come up with. 

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Already have a N/A engine with auto lined and Factory PMC module, only 3600km on the clock for R&D

Supercharger Vorteck V-2 SQ $2900 From CAPA

Intercooler + piping can be made for under $1500 Brackets and bits and pieces $1000

Injectors $500

Piggyback ECU + Tuning $1600

Add some extra $ for R&D recovery and GST = approx $10000 = 330+ rwkw or APS, Nizpro Phase III power

How much cheaper is a N/A xr6 than a turbo $4000 - $5000

How much for APS Phase III or Nizpro Phase III up to $22000

Looks like a competive package to me

F***ck I think I'll go and buy a N/A XR6 :lol:

macka

[ms700]

Here are some things to think about in relation to superchargers, especially Vortech.

As most of you know, I am currently building up the XC with a Vortech J trim supercharger, these J trim blowers can run up to a maximum of 28psi!

Boost is adjustable using the ECU that I am using, we are bleeding off excess boost using a combination of one of the 3 blow off valves (Vortech Mondo) and a boost control solenoid. We have already used this combination very effectively, making a blower pumping 15psi only actually making as low as 4psi.

I just bought the blower only off CAPA, I didnt buy a kit. Somehow, I dont think Tony makes a kit to suit a '78 Falcon somehow!

And yes, the sound of a Vortech at full noise is something everyone should experience in their lifetime. As they make more noise they push you further and further into the seat...... and the thought starts entering your head "holy sh!t when is this thing gonna slow down!"

If you are thinking about superchargers, please DO IT PROPERLY. Dont cut corners, to save some coin. It will only cost you even more down the track.

[macka'sxr6t]

Thanks ms700,

Don't worry I never do things by half. Its done properly or not at all.

Your setup sound awesome.

I love the sound of a turbo but the sound of a supercharger in full song has no equal.

macka

[Guest]

sounds cheap when you look at it that way.

dont know about 330rwkws without rebuild though? mid two's tops id say.

still cheaper to get over 350rwkws with rebuild ecu etc.

[sbr79]

Macka r u saying that if I wait and get a SC off you down the track I will get a bonnet shaker too..... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmdribblllllle. Cool if can.

Anyway, I can't see why you shouldn't macka. I mean I love SC's so why shouldn't I be able to get 1. Anyway I am sure there is a way to stump an insurance company on this one, I'll get my father to talk to his Lawyer friend. My father used to work in the insurance game, and his mate is a very very successful lawyer in one of the largest law firms. I am sure there is a loop hole there somewhere for use to exploit.

Anyway Macka PM anyother info you can provide for me dude. I would be holding out for your project completeion now.