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[macka'sxr6t]

Well, you'll be competing with CAPA who have been in the game for a while.

Their kit's may look 'messy' stuck in one corner, but if there was any other way of doing it, (or any need??) CAPA would have by now.

And they've got an intercooler kit to suit all there chargers, so it's not a nightmare to sort it.

Sorry, I'm not sure I understand what you're aiming to do.

It's been done as well as it can be done already.

Although, maybe a Roots-type charger (Think Eaton M112) mounted on a custom plenum sitting parallel and beside the rocker cover could work. Hmmmm...

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See you've thought of another option already. There's always more than one option. Depends whether you can think outside the square.

You could say that APS had already done it as well till Nizpro came along or visa - versa. Just because some one's done it before does'nt mean it can't be done better.

APS would have thought they had the turbo market to themselves as well. Have a look now they are not the only choice available.

From what I've heard about CAPA, from members a lot of their stuff does'nt work to well. If their supercharger kit was any good there would be plenty driving around.

People spend up to $8000+ on their turbo's to get them going better. For around the same money I see no reason why the N/A guy's can't get into the action as well.

macka

[Guest]

Macka,

remember your customers have the insurance industry against them and their super charger dreams, I still can't find one that will do me a price worth thinking about.

Subaru have their own insurance for WRX owners maybe Ford could help the Blown N/A XR6 dreamers out a bit (FAT F'N CHANCE).

Anyway good luck Macka, do you think the Nizpro intake could be hooked up to a blower? (I've got it bad for that intake).

[macka'sxr6t]

Macka,

remember your customers have the insurance industry against them and their super charger dreams, I still can't find one that will do me a price worth thinking about. 

Anyway good luck Macka, do you think the Nizpro intake could be hooked up to a blower? (I've got it bad for that intake).

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Its still only one mod your allowed three are'nt you.

macka

[ExAreSix]

Its still only one mod your allowed three are'nt you.

macka

Nah, doesn't work like that with a supercharger.

I believe all the supercharger's Herrod fit are CAPA supplied kits. Chiptorque also I think.

There are heaps of them getting around. Maybe not so many on 6 Cyl Falcons, but I don't think that's through fault of the kits. I think one reason being the point made by NOS XR.

And for the above reason people don't see the worth supercharging a 6... They get an 8 to supercharge instead. Where the gains outweigh the insurance burden.

There are heaps of older 5L V8s with superchargers here in TSV alone. A couple of Fords, but mainly Holdens.

Don't mean to knock you're idea, but I don't think it's a viable project. Not for the 6 anyway. The initial outlay will be quite substantial I imagine.

Sure, you've got a few guys here throwing positive remarks your way, some even going as far to say they'll line up for the product. But you're going to need alot more to make it viable. Thus, I don't think you'll be able to match CAPAs prices.

Even though I have my doubts, I still wish you the best of luck ofcourse. Would love to see what you come up with.

[macka'sxr6t]

OK then

can someone fill me in why a car with a supercharger is any different to a turbocharged car for insurance premiums. They both basically do the same thing just different principals.

And how they fit into the mod scheme of things.

I don't see why a supercharged 6 can't perform as good as a turbocharged 6 running the same boost give or take a kw or 2

macka

[Blown BA]

OK then 

can someone fill me in why a car with a supercharger is any different to a turbocharged car for insurance premiums.  They both basically do the same thing just different principals.

And how they fit into the mod scheme of things.

I don't see why a supercharged 6 can't perform as good as a turbocharged 6 running the same boost give or take a kw or 2

macka

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Well Macka when l had my AU Supercharged it was insured with AAMI and had no problems

Now as for power difference

Superchargers give you power immediatly, while only Saab's light pressure turbos offer no existing lag. other turbos will have some lag, even if its just a little bit that no one would care about.

Superchargers produce more heat, specially roots type blowers. turbos generate heat but technology for them has allowed them to cool down a lot better.

Superchargers work at a slower speed, usually around 8 psi max, while turbos can go way beyond insane numbers (like 50psi). so generally, a turbo of the same level of an SC will produce less power.

SC's produce alot of noise and vibration, specially vortech ones. for those of you who have never gotten into a car with a vortech SC, do so. it sounds nice but its loud, like a roaring loud sound. turbos just usually sound like a little turbine and produce a little whistle while spooling up.

Turbos also have their own effects on causing power loss on the engine, not just the SC. Turbos cause backpressure on the engine, mainly on the exhaust side, this causes a bit of power loss, but nothing major compared to SC's belt driven power loss.

Turbos can be controlled much better. with nowadays' technology, even the amount of boost per rpm level can be controlled. meanwhile, the SC can only be controlled with a pulley, and it only controls the maximum PSI level.

SC's have an average longer lifetime than turbos, but if you know how to take really good care of the turbo, then it can even outlast an SC. as long as you stick to the turbo's efficiency range and take good care of the car, it will be just fine.

that's all l can think of for the moment

[macka'sxr6t]

Thanks George,

You have confirmed what I thought.

Same engine. Same amount of boost. Approx same Kw.

Depends on which insurance company you use.

The only price that CAPA would beat me on would be the S/C because for the first one I would probably purchase from them. Intercooler and rest I think they're over priced.

We'll see might just do it because they say it can't be done.

Funny I've heard that before. Hmmmmm Something about a Shaker on a turbo I think. :lol:

Something about a N/A XR6 supercharged with a Shaker gets my juices flowing :lol: :lol:

macka

[macka'sxr6t]

If Dynowog stumbles across this topic

I'd be interested to know if he could tune this sucker using a Piggyback ECU of his choice.

macka

[Blown BA]

If Dynowog stumbles across this topic

I'd be interested to know if he could tune this sucker using a Piggyback ECU of his choice. 

macka

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Macka forget a Piggyback go stand alone Motec they are one crazy ECU

[Guest]

macka and george both have some valid points and as an outsider with heaps of supercharger tecnology experince I must say these things:

macka go for it! prove them wrong and if you need help just call.

george turbos are variable drive s/c's thus set up to act like an s/c there identicle to an s/c!

1 large ex wheel, small housing, small comp wheel, normal comp cover = roots type boost

std xr6t = centrifical s/c only 100 times better

macka the higher comp of the non t engine combined with low boost would pull the bum of a mack truck!

ps already started sourcing parts for a turbo kit for the same!