Drive review: VZ SS vs BA2 XR8

[FPV 521]

Hell its all on :punchhead:

[HSE2]

HSE2

I am an engineer (qualified) and currently employed in the industry...

And I will do whatevr I goddamn like with my gearbox whether you like it or not and if it blows I will buy another one... A better one.... I would love to see your technique you so avidly describe in your cute childlike manner... I would also like to see your face sitting in the passengers seat as I come down a mountain (fast) with you giving me "driving tips" whilst sh*ttting your pants... Any weather mind you ... Hotham in winter sounds good.. Ice on road and using brakes sounds like a good way to meet a tree... If you are not loaded (engine Power or engine brake)at all times on the back wheels you will meet some very nice panel beaters my freind.... good luck to you and go have a cry now....

And yes I am even more dumber after sitting through another tyrade from you....

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I don't give a flying f*ck what you do with your own equipment that is your own business. As you are an engineer thanks for proving my point by saying and I quote

And if it blows I will buy another one... A better one

In doing so you acknowledge the intent of the conversation and what is possible and it is always nice to have a qualified engineer to back up points.

Thank you and well said and naturally I have no choice but to agree because if you are truly using this technique which I doubt as you say you have a greater risk of smashing the box or worse. Point made, point proven thanks for coming

Next

Your method of driving is stupid not fast.

Next

Ice on a road

Your thinking

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Greatest load of rubbish I have heard this year.

I would assume you are driving to the conditions so that would surely mean reduced speed so exactly how do you propose to steer on ice with the engine under load. You’re simple. Go on keep going we need a laugh from an engineer, which proves yet another point, Paul look at the quality we have!

Past your bed time yet?

[Turbo6man]

You never engage the clutch during the decent. 

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Of course Ian means DISengage the clutch in this para ... ah ha, proves he IS human :punchhead:

I have known Ian for a couple of years over a couple of different forums and have always found his posts to be well worth a read.

I must say that when I read his first post on the topic of compression braking I was dumbfounded - I really thought I had found a huge flaw in his persona.

However he has since explained his position on it in a much clearer way and I find that in general I am in agreement with his opinion. There is a very fine line between what is acceptable engine braking and what is punishment on the driveline and this is where we have a problem with people's perceptions of what is correct and what is not. Most people unfortunately don't have professional driving skills even though they may believe they do.

I have been a driving instructor at the highest level (police defensive driving school before the force got their own facility) and have been driving heavy vehicles for longer than I care to remember, and still do so. I can affirm what Ian has said on this with just one minor amendment. When changing down through the gears to utilize engine braking, as long as the engine does not reach peak revs on the downchange, and as long as engine revs are matched to road speed for the chosen gear, then the stresses on the driveline are deemed acceptable and the driving practice is deemed good. But as Ian has said, if you feel the vehicle jolt or lurch under the downshift then you are not a good driver and the driveline is suffering immense strain. Also the rider to this, during harsh deceleration is ALWAYS that the brake is applied first. On the other hand, when only a small degree of deceleration is necessary, then it is quite acceptable to use just the gears/engine compression providing as I said above that engine revs are matched to road speed for the chosen gear. This is my own preferred driving practice and I manage to achieve longer life out of clutches, brakes and gearboxes than the vast majority of drivers. I'm not saying that by way of bragging - it is just a way of exemplfying the acceptable driving method that I was taught, and which I have taught many others.

[HSE2]

Yes I certainly did mean just that and as I look back through this sh*t there is a bit more I would change.

I have a similar mechanical record to that of turbo6man and as mentioned how high the engine revs is important although for me if you can feel it you have stuffed up. My only acception to what T6M has said is that if only a small reduction is required the first choice for me is always brakes anyway. It’s not wrong I just work on the theory that pads are cheaper then gears and the fact I have seen some people pick a gear lower then they thought and loop it. Sometimes and the T5 is an example jumping gears can end up in angel gear anyway as the box simply refuses to engage.

I am relieved my persona has redeemed although I am sure many of my opinions would raise similar eerier.

If only I had expressed T6M view in his format straight up.

Edited 26/10/04 09:25 AM by HSE2

[mercturbo]

1. God I love this forum, entertaining it certainly is.

2. I agree with HSE (Ian?) completely on this, (there is a first time for everything!)

Every mechanic I know backs his information.

[HSE2]

Hey no fair. I agree with everything you say- what don't we agree on? I know we had an argument once but can't remember what it was except that we had a different understanding due to my inability to make my point.

I have been a worthy defection from other forums then. I am nothing but entertaining

[mercturbo]

Although, taken into account the safety features of a ford over a Expensive Daewoo and the lion, doesn't come close to the Blue Oval. I know an ambo who told me, 9 times out of 10 if a Late model camira has a serious crash they have to cut half the car away to get the poor person out. 9 times out of ten a ford in an accident and they still just open the door and get em out. Its a fact given to me from a person who treats these people day in day out. It was hinted within the ambo circle anyway that Expensive Daewoo made big profits before pre2002  , but still didn't invest on research in the cars safety aspects. They sold the cars by living off the V8 supercar reputation back then. Oh well just thought I would share this fact given to me. I for one would not of got my car, if the missus didn't hear this story from my ambo friend, its what she needed to hear.

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So the extra kilos in the Ford range do appear to give it a signifigant safety advantage over the Expensive Daewoo range. BA Chassis I believe is a strengthened version of AU chassis therefore all the crap about BA being overweight is just that. What it appears to be is a far stronger, better engineered vehicle that will protect people

better than the opposition. GT's xr8's might be a tad slower but I/my family might survive an accident and might not in the "lightweight" commo. This is huge information and if proven correct is good news for Ford. I'll be half a second slower down the drag strip but I'll be alive in a stack hooroo yee haa. My microsecond flirtation with LS2 has ended for the next few years anyway.

[Mondie]

Um, did l mention that Drive found the BA2 XR8 had driveline shunt :lol: :lol:

Great posting Ian

[CHIPS]

Um, did l mention that Drive found the BA2 XR8 had driveline shunt  :lol:  :lol:

Yawn..............Yeh I think you did Mondie.

[Turbo6man]

Um, did l mention that Drive found the BA2 XR8 had driveline shunt  :lol:  :lol:

Great posting Ian 

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