Drive review: VZ SS vs BA2 XR8

[Venom XR6]

Here's something you'll all love, ever since production has increased for the Territory quality has actually got WORSE.

[turb06]

Since 70% of XR6T owners (and presumably XR8) buy autos, why do Drive and Motor insist on test driving manuals all the time??

I have no problem with the standard brakes in my T, I dont drive on the track mind you.

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Motor will test the manual over the auto in any car becasue they are a performance car magazine, and auto boxes generally arent associated with performance, not in australia anyway. And yeah, it has a new six speed.

Dazza.

[turb06]

Turbo6man, ours hasn't had 1 problem yet, I think you will be able to talk from experience once you own one maybe? Until then you are only making weak speculation.

The BMW 7 Series has a plethera of problems, yet it is still a great car, you are really making it out to be worse than it really is.

Paul

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I'm happy for you that you haven't had a problem. You are in the majority. Read ALL of what I say in my posts. Weak speculation??? I don't have to own one to know about the problems, or the good points for that matter. The points I raised are well documented and just because it hasn't happened to you or me doesn't mean that it isn't factual experience. Pull your head out of the sand!

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I agree with you turbo6man, the amount of times I have taken my Flacon back to the dealer to get things sorted is pretty bad, they are only minor things that are a hassle and not life threatening, but I am sure a company with as many years in the industry as ford, should be able to get the little things right.

My old N15 SSS only ever went back once becasue the CD player stopped working and that was it in 4 years I owned it, that car was much more satisfying to live with and was a tough decision to make when I sold it.

I dont treat my T badly, I have been to willowbank with it 3 times and I drive like an old woman when on the roads these days, its a shame to me that a car that cost me $51,000 on the road isnt cutting it the same as a NA 2.0L 4Cyl that cost half as much and is just as fun to drive and will take a thrashing all day every day.

Dazza.

[Mondie]

Here's something you'll all love, ever since production has increased for the Territory quality has actually got WORSE.

l cant say that suprises me, Ford seem to be putting everything into the Territory. You hardly hear a bad word spoken about them, the value in a Ghia at $50k exceeds a BA Ghia by far IMO. Ford are trying to carve out a niche all to themselves at the expense of the BA.

l will be buying a Territory for the family hack.

[jetute]

Turbo6man, ours hasn't had 1 problem yet, I think you will be able to talk from experience once you own one maybe? Until then you are only making weak speculation.

The BMW 7 Series has a plethera of problems, yet it is still a great car, you are really making it out to be worse than it really is.

Paul

I'm happy for you that you haven't had a problem. You are in the majority. Read ALL of what I say in my posts. Weak speculation??? I don't have to own one to know about the problems, or the good points for that matter. The points I raised are well documented and just because it hasn't happened to you or me doesn't mean that it isn't factual experience. Pull your head out of the sand!

I agree with Turbo6man...

I have the overboost,

I have the driveline shunt and whine,

Im on my second gearbox and it is still stuffed (ford are now working on a fix to resolve the problem and I have no choice but to wait as they will not supply me with a third box, I have been waiting for 3 months now)

I have an unidentified high pitch sound

and a major rattle in the dash that no1 can find,

and have had many more little things that have been fixed already such as

-heat shiled rattle (fixed twice)

-whistle in the window (still there actually)

-rear seal fallen of twice on tail gate

-hard lid replaced due to warping

-water in little indicators on side of car

weak speculation on turbo6mans behalf?????? I dont think so!!!!!

[eXtreme]

Turbo6man, ours hasn't had 1 problem yet, I think you will be able to talk from experience once you own one maybe? Until then you are only making weak speculation.

The BMW 7 Series has a plethera of problems, yet it is still a great car, you are really making it out to be worse than it really is.

Paul

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I'm happy for you that you haven't had a problem. You are in the majority. Read ALL of what I say in my posts. Weak speculation??? I don't have to own one to know about the problems, or the good points for that matter. The points I raised are well documented and just because it hasn't happened to you or me doesn't mean that it isn't factual experience. Pull your head out of the sand!

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I guess until you actually own one you can't really speculate. I concur some of the car's have problems, but I don't see what you are really expecting from a mass produced vehicle, if all the problems are being fixed there isn't really much you can do apart from not buy the product again in the future.

After you own one you can all you like, but until then you shouldn't speculate so much on a grand scale.

Paul

[Venom XR6]

Here's something you'll all love, ever since production has increased for the Territory quality has actually got WORSE.

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l cant say that suprises me, Ford seem to be putting everything into the Territory. You hardly hear a bad word spoken about them, the value in a Ghia at $50k exceeds a BA Ghia by far IMO. Ford are trying to carve out a niche all to themselves at the expense of the BA.

l will be buying a Territory for the family hack.

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These quality problems will also effect the Territory as they use some of the same components such as engines, diffs, autos etc. Although you are right there does not seem to be as many quality problems with the Territory. Might have something to do with the massive amount of kilometers done during testing, a lot more than what is usually done.

[Turbo6man]

Turbo6man, ours hasn't had 1 problem yet, I think you will be able to talk from experience once you own one maybe? Until then you are only making weak speculation.

The BMW 7 Series has a plethera of problems, yet it is still a great car, you are really making it out to be worse than it really is.

Paul

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I'm happy for you that you haven't had a problem. You are in the majority. Read ALL of what I say in my posts. Weak speculation??? I don't have to own one to know about the problems, or the good points for that matter. The points I raised are well documented and just because it hasn't happened to you or me doesn't mean that it isn't factual experience. Pull your head out of the sand!

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I guess until you actually own one you can't really speculate. I concur some of the car's have problems, but I don't see what you are really expecting from a mass produced vehicle, if all the problems are being fixed there isn't really much you can do apart from not buy the product again in the future.

After you own one you can all you like, but until then you shouldn't speculate so much on a grand scale.

Paul

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You just don't get it do you? Firstly, look up the word "speculate". Once you understand what it means you might see that, secondly, what I have posted is far from it. That is, if you take the time and trouble to read ALL of what I have posted on this subject. It is clear to me from your responses that you haven't done this. eg I have not at any time declared what I expect from a mass produced vehicle so why bring that into it? Furthermore, you infer that all the problems are being fixed, whereas in fact many aren't, which is one of the main points of contention among those who have issues with their cars.

[eXtreme]

You just don't get it do you? Firstly, look up the word "speculate". Once you understand what it means you might see that

See what exactly?

To speculate is to engage in a course of reasoning often based on inconclusive evidence, I am implying your evidence is lacking as you don't actually own the vehicle, hence you are simply speculating thus far.

That is, if you take the time and trouble to read ALL of what I have posted on this subject.

So far I have only read the information you have posted about the car being unreliable and having numerous problems, I don't have a need to read all of your posts as I know, for us the car has been perfect! Not a problem yet, and I don't see how you can find it reasnoble to post all the propoganda without actually owning the vehicle.

It is clear to me from your responses that you haven't done this

Correct.

eg I have not at any time declared what I expect from a mass produced vehicle so why bring that into it?

I'm afraid the gramatical structure of that sentance was below par, I would urge you to either a) restructure it so it is more coherant or b) try rephrasing it in a way that you can understand yourself.

Furthermore, you infer that all the problems are being fixed, whereas in fact many aren't

I beg to differ, Ford have warranty obligations, and as far as I am aware they are accepting cars for repair, and either a) trying to repair them without success or b) repairing with success and if the aforementioned a) is the case, more time and effort would be put into place to resolve the issue.

which is one of the main points of contention among those who have issues with their cars.

In general I can see your poorly constructed contention, and to some extent I can agree that problem's such as the 'driveline-shunt' are taking a while to be processed, but you must see it from Ford Motor Companie's point of view, as of present this problem is occuring on only some cars, so it is barely feasable to issue a recall and/or take major action until such a problem is fixed, and/or the area of concern is found and rectified.

According to the current 'Technical Service Bulletin' released for Ford Dealers, there has been no information issues in regards to the issue.

Paul

[ExAreSix]

See what exactly?

To speculate is to engage in a bla bla bla

Ok, time for you to Shhh now...

There is so much information from others who do own BAs right here on the forums. All you have to do is spend a week reading through the forums (Or 2 yrs, like T6Man) to see all the problems people are having. And as such, you don't have to own a BA to get a good account of it's troubled life so far.

And how can owning an example of the car give you anymore warrant to judge the range? You own ONE example of thousands.