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[YOOT]

I havn't experienced overboost yet, but now that I have said it it will happen today most likely.

[Guest]

These cars are garbage!!!Fcuken "sports car" :lol: yea right,as long as you dont exceed the speed limit,your fine ...that's what ford will tell you,drive it like Ken and youll never have a problem,Has Ken had a prob??? No wucken fay,gets 12kl or 600 k out of a tank,never had over boost,

Time for a class action,its a joke,overtake at your own risk

lucky lastnights posts didnt appear for what ever reason when I was in a good mood having the pieceof go in to limp mode you ford

vik

[shiftyxr]

CLASS ACTION VIC? mmmmm not a silly idea,this has become a real safety issue.

We need someone with good writing skills to draft a letter and we all could sign it with name,phone no and cars vin no.send a copy to ford and mayby today tonight

dont know what will happen but have to start some where and a we all know this is a SAFETY ISSUE.

I want to sell as well but how much money will it cost us and its not our fault the the cars have genuine problems that ford cant fix.

[Guest]

class acton?

well I think if your all signing a class action letter then it should be prepared by a solicitor and worded as you would obviously like ford to resolve the issue by a certain date or youll then take it to vcat etc.

probibly a goodtime to sign is at d/day as lots of you will be there anyway!

have not read the whole thread just the last post so not sure if its the best action but hey what an excuse to get yourself an aftermarket ecu something fitted!

[Guest]

Guy's with modded T's don't get overboost cuts confused with fuel cuts or knock sensors cuting in.

I've been running the Xede now since July.  I had the Xede fitted and tuned by Simon at Nizpro.  After they fitted the Xede and on cold days or nights, I couldn't even use anymore than 1/2 throttle and the car would go into limp mode.  They tried twice to re-tune the car but were unable to correct the problem.

After a couple of near misses I took up an offer from Pretzel to let Dynowog tune the car.  My car was the first one that he had tuned that used the Xede.  With no prior knowledge of the software he retuned the car.  After the re-tune I never experienced the over boost problem again.  He was able to tune it out completely.

Since then I had a problem where I thought that the Xede may have been faulty.  So I headed to Nizpro to have it checked out.  I had lost all of my performance.  As it turned out it was actually a problem with a boost sensor and the wastegate soleniod.  After rectifying the problem at Nizpro they decided to re-tune the car while it was there.  Yes you guessed it the overboost problem is now back.

I still don't know what Nizpro do differently to Dynowog.  If one guy can tune it out and the other guy tunes it back in, something must be different with the tunes, either setting off a knock sensor of running to lean and the PMC picking it up and shutting down the engine to protect it.

My point is, if someone can tune the problem out.  Why is it that a Company with all its resources not be able to come up with a fix.  Surely they need to change some parameters within their software.  Maybe they've just made the parameter tolerances to tight and the PMC is too quick to kick into limp mode.

Sorry to waffle on 

macka

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in my last post I said that I only read the last few posts well look at what I found going back to read it mate I'm flattered and as with women flattery get you almost everywhere!

thanks macka

Edited 30/10/04 03:41 AM by Dynowog

[Guest]

um, there are things called external waste gates. 70% more eficient in regulating boost

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well said and while your at it beefier external gate exhaust housing and new dump pipe should transform it beutifully to a T. pardon the pun!

[Guest]

Guy's with modded T's don't get overboost cuts confused with fuel cuts or knock sensors cuting in.

........in your case it was knock

After a couple of near misses I took up an offer from Pretzel to let Dynowog tune the car.  My car was the first one that he had tuned that used the Xede.  With no prior knowledge of the software he retuned the car.  After the re-tune I never experienced the over boost problem again.  He was able to tune it out completely.

After rectifying the problem at Nizpro they decided to re-tune the car while it was there.  Yes you guessed it the overboost problem is now back.

...... may be knock again as the boost level permitted has been raised

I still don't know what Nizpro do differently to Dynowog.  If one guy can tune it out and the other guy tunes it back in, something must be different with the tunes, either setting off a knock sensor of running to lean and the PMC picking it up and shutting down the engine to protect it.

....... sounds about right

My point is, if someone can tune the problem out.  Why is it that a Company with all its resources not be able to come up with a fix.  Surely they need to change some parameters within their software.  Maybe they've just made the parameter tolerances to tight and the PMC is too quick to kick into limp mode.

..... all true and there would be more than 1 cause of similar simptoms so not all of you would be experiancing the same thing making it extreamly hard for ford to resolve. as I said give them a chance maybe with a time limit they have different criteria to meet inc epa and etc.

Sorry to waffle on 

macka

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[Guest]

um, there are things called external waste gates. 70% more eficient in regulating boost

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well said and while your at it beefier external gate exhaust housing and new dump pipe should transform it beutifully to a T. pardon the pun!

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So Dynowog, is this the cure then,sounds to easy,If that did it ,cured it ,Id even think about keeping the thing :lol:

vik

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vik,

mate id love to say yes it is, but as I said in another post there are a few things that can cause your troubles, all with similar symptoms that cause limp mode. in macka's case it was knock. in yours it may well be over boost this as in macka's case can be overcome with lift the max available boost limit with some form of tunning tool be it ems edit unichip xede haltech and the list go's on but as I also said yes the factory boy should be able to cure it free given time. hold on I think its worth it but do get it diagnosed properly not just yeah they all doit syndrome that the dealers get into! :lol: :lol:

[Mr X]

Hey guys I thought that we had put this one to bed.

Using the Unichip setup to strap down or control the output voltage from the boost pressure sensor allows the rest of the Ford ECU to work as advertised.

We have mentioned the voltage clamp adjustment in a thread elsewhere, and that both the XEDE and Unichip address the issue.

The point I make is that this so called "solution" mitigates the problem, it does not eliminate it. It does not solve the problem via a proper design change. If you think I'm wrong let me know.

I have seen a number of times the boost cut in dyno runs, and the voltage clamp change to stop it. However, under certain conditions the problem still occurs on the road. The problem would be most easily solved via Ford changing their base program to stop it, or not using a piggyback.

Brian

Brian,

All I can say is you are right, a Unichip (or Xede) will minimise the problem (and in some cases eliminate). For me its not a big deal (haven't had one for a couple of months, and alot less since they regapped my plugs) its seems as though my car has settled down after a few K's... But I agree we are working around a fault in the ECU ... so if Ford has rewritten the code to fix ... I am the first in line at the dealer

Still sceptical though because this "Fix" has been mentioned many times ... and now the Mark II is iminent and they haven't solved it yet ... really shouldn't have been their in the first place ... may just be Ford AUS inexperience with Turbo cars as I am sure none of your Subi's have a drama

Cheers, Jason

Sounds like Ford Australia have really done their homework. If they think they got their arses kicked with EA head gaskets they ain't seen nothing yet.Ford worldwide have had plenty of experience with turbos eg Sierra RS500.There are no excuses.