Mr Turbo Next stage, to the Pub in 10 seconds Member 2,777 Member For: 20y 6m 22d Gender: Male Location: Berwick Victoria Posted 09/10/04 05:00 AM Share Posted 09/10/04 05:00 AM that's funny. Should we worry!! We should have been worried a year ago. Expensive Daewoo V8's are kicking everything Ford has to offer now. Thank goodness for the T, I know I don;t have to worry with APS Phase III.Sorry if I seem harsh in relation to ford but our V8 range doesn't seem to live up to the Dark sides range.I agree,HSV are always one step ahead of ford. I dont understand why ford/FPV cannot hike up the power of xr/GT especially with Series II.Expensive Daewoo seem to increase power with new seriesGood on ya ford I agree with you 100% Hazey!Ford FPV really need to pull up there socks and for once try to be one step ahead of HSV! Ford need to be a bit more creative and more daring. Good to see the Typhoon and Tornado out top stuff Ford however we need more horsepower in our V8's. I say bring back the GTHO!!!! Rob... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSE2 Member 322 Member For: 22y 2m Location: Tasmania Posted 09/10/04 05:21 AM Share Posted 09/10/04 05:21 AM (edited) By most standards price dictates what vehicles compete with each other. The F6 will be close enough to the Club sport to be a competitor and despite the power deficit could be a very close match with performance times. Depending on where the F6 starts with its curve it could very well deliver a better punch over the LS2. An acquaintance that works for Audi reports twin turboing a V8 doesn’t deliver the experience one might expect. There really is no substitute for NA as far as drivability goes and in most circumstance that means big displacementThe reasons many manufactures are going to the turbocharger route is because technology has reduced the boost drive issues. AMG for example are heading away from supercharger technology. The costs of turbo’s are coming down making them more cost effective. Mercedes answer is big displacement. BMWs is more cylindersBut really that is not the issue. If you were really out to extract the best power number form a car neither Expensive Daewoo nor Ford would be on your list. The LS2 is just the start and in standard trim the light at the end of the tunnel is no closer for Ford.Ford USA are talking big have been for 12 months or so but so far nothing has hit the streets. Edited 09/10/04 05:24 AM by HSE2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumpet Member 27 Member For: 21y 4d Location: Melbourne, Vic Posted 09/10/04 07:27 AM Share Posted 09/10/04 07:27 AM 10k for a twin turbo kit ???????, you obviously are very confused , jesus a aps tstage 3 kit costs nearly 10k and that is with no turbos being purchased.I think youll find the figue installed to more like 20k, 2 decent turbos alone would cost more than 5k let alone the rest that's involved in converting a NA car to turbo setup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest xspsi Guests Posted 09/10/04 07:56 AM Share Posted 09/10/04 07:56 AM 10k for a twin turbo kit ???????, you obviously are very confused , jesus a aps tstage 3 kit costs nearly 10k and that is with no turbos being purchased.I think youll find the figue installed to more like 20k, 2 decent turbos alone would cost more than 5k let alone the rest that's involved in converting a NA car to turbo setup this was more along the lines of what I was thinking? I thought that it would cost a lot more. xarh6turbo , I am like you except not in as big a way. I've had a v8, now have a 450kw 200sx and am buying an xr6 turbo to get more cubes and drivabilty. in the same way a high powered four cylinder is fun yet it doesn't have the cubes or torque of a 6 so I can understand where you are coming from with the v8 comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eatV8 Artificially Aspirated Member 951 Member For: 21y 1m 25d Gender: Male Location: Brisbane Posted 09/10/04 08:44 AM Share Posted 09/10/04 08:44 AM Just adding to the LS2. I saw a dyno chart someone did. They run a Z06 Vette (405hp rating) and a new C6 Vette with the LS2 (400hp rating). Conclution is they believe by this and other people reporting power figures the LS2 is under rated. I will try find the graph, but in short, the LS2 made power and Torque levels way quicker then the LS6 and its peak torque and hp was actually more then the Z06. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrdreaming Lifetime Members 1,693 Member For: 22y 1m 6d Gender: Male Location: Melbourne Posted 09/10/04 08:55 AM Share Posted 09/10/04 08:55 AM Guys I have been for a ride in the early test mule APS twin Turbo LS1 road ute. I can confirm that the twin turbo package will be about $10k without a unichip. Pretty good bang for you buck. And being lighter than the Ford with about 380rwkw and comparing it to my Phase 3 ute it is bloody scary fast on standard internals.Wait for the twin turbo Boss 260 now we are talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DallasQLD Lifetime Members 1,197 Member For: 22y 3m 2d Gender: Male Location: Albany Creek QLD Posted 09/10/04 09:02 AM Share Posted 09/10/04 09:02 AM Power is not everything boys. Here is a good example. In this years Rally Championship subaue have 10 RS Imprezas. They have `105KW comapred to 200KW plus for the Group N cars. On many stages this year Group N cars have been beaten by the RS, especially downhills. HSV may very well have more power but whats it dirve like?You can can bet your last dollar that if they do bring out a GTHO it wont be any faster as they have shown their colours. They are not at the pointy end of power. They have said so themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrdreaming Lifetime Members 1,693 Member For: 22y 1m 6d Gender: Male Location: Melbourne Posted 09/10/04 09:26 AM Share Posted 09/10/04 09:26 AM HSV may very well have more power but whats it dirve like? Sideways :lol: in the ute anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eatV8 Artificially Aspirated Member 951 Member For: 21y 1m 25d Gender: Male Location: Brisbane Posted 09/10/04 09:30 AM Share Posted 09/10/04 09:30 AM Ok. found that Dyno sheet... Made the Torque quick and more of it... power built abit quicker but only made about the same overall... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grass Donating Members 447 Member For: 21y 19d Gender: Male Location: Sydney Posted 09/10/04 02:50 PM Share Posted 09/10/04 02:50 PM Sorry if the Ls2 has been covered before.Just jumped onto hsv site and browsed through the new hsv range.LS2 Gen IV297Kw (305 DIN)530Nm Torque (90% which is available at idle) So that's more than max in xr6TClaimed 0-100 in 5.2sec for Man and 5.1 for Auto.I dont know about you guys but I think we have some competition on our hands!Aidanthat's funny. Should we worry!! We should have been worried a year ago. Expensive Daewoo V8's are kicking everything Ford has to offer now. Thank goodness for the T, I know I don;t have to worry with APS Phase III.Sorry if I seem harsh in relation to ford but our V8 range doesn't seem to live up to the Dark sides range. so true but you cant look at the new hsv and go my t with a phase3 would beat it just think 10k on an ls2 and you get a aps twin tubo kit and there isnt any t's around that could touch thatwhich is why im looking at selling my car Yeah, And who the hell is going to insure a LS2 with a aftermarket Twin Turbo kit ?At least the Fords are straight of the Production line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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