AWD XR6T

[BATRB-6]

Could happen guys 12-18 months after the new VE Commmodore launches in the first half of 2006 when the BA series replacment is due to arrive on the market.

Next generation falcons could use some "modules" from the Territory cross-over migrate across.

Edited 29/09/04 12:24 AM by BATRB-6

[profrat]

I guess the real question is 'how much?' and 'how hard?'

So the questions become:

- how would the front end have to be altered to fit the territory components?

-How much would the floorpan have to be bent to fit the transfer case?

- what other things would have to be changed? Sump? Steering? etc?

Anyone had a good look under both with this in mind? With a bit of luck, things might fall into place pretty well. Then again.............

The main thing wrong with the Coupe 4 is its lack of a supercharger and/or about 100kw! Fix that and you might have something.

Cheers, Prof

[eatV8]

They would really have to lose some major weight from the Falcon otherwise AWD would make no performance gain... Look at HSV's coupe 4. Cant do anything better then a GTO coupe except accelerate on wet roads and gravel

[Trough Lolly]

all this talk about a awd setup.. may I "how fat is your wallet!?!?!"

whatever happened to the ol'school tubbed ass end?

that's what id be doing if your that worried about traction.. get some tubs engineered and put some REAL tyres under its bum. this method has been proven for YEARS and still dominates to this day..

you dont see ben bray nagging over a awd setup to get a better holeshot.

[351]

I agree trough lolly why waste money ,time and cop plenty of from people . the ba is alredy heavy iu mean the hsv awd gained about 300 kgs extra with the awd imagine a falcon ,also I think it defeats the purpose of a tough aussie streeter (you cant get the back out ) well not easily anyways. I also agree with eatv8 in that awds accelerate slower through the gears maybe not from a driveline busting launch but generally on rolling dry surface sprints and they are not as good for towing cos the torque is spread 50/50 (usually).

but it still woukld be interesting to see someone build one

[rusht]

  turb06 said:

You can disconnect the AWD system in the R32 GTR skyline and run it as rear wheel drive, when this was done in a mates R32 it ran .8 sec slower down the quarter, but had a higher top speed.

Dazza,

Just out of interest, I take it by disconnect you mean that everything was left there so there was no weight reduction?

[turb06]

  rusht said:

  turb06 said:

You can disconnect the AWD system in the R32 GTR skyline and run it as rear wheel drive, when this was done in a mates R32 it ran .8 sec slower down the quarter, but had a higher top speed.

Dazza,

Just out of interest, I take it by disconnect you mean that everything was left there so there was no weight reduction?

yeah, the AWD system is electronically controlled, the GTR is a rear driver most of the time and when the controlling module of the AWD system detects wheel spin at the rear, it transfers X amount of the torque to the front to cease the spinning and regain traction, with the R32 GTR's its just a simple matter of pulling out the fuse for the controling module and it wont work, hence rear wheel drive. Though this is not possible from R33 onwards.

Dazza.

[FPV GTHO]

Has anyone actually had a good look at the rear end of an XR6T to tub it....unless its a ute, its not as simple as getting the tubs, youve got the control blades in the way. You'd have to think about converting back to a live axle or something...

If youve got the money to get an XR6T to 450kw, then converting it to AWD must seriously be playing on your mind. The weight disadvantage will be no where near what it is between the GTO Coupe and Coupe4, as 1. HSV have higher standards so they have to do more, ie more weight, to get it safe enough and 2. the BA Chassis is stiffer than the VY/VZ so where there was a 150kg gain on the Coupe4, have a look at the difference between a RWD and AWD Territory and its a measly 80kg, almost half. Just remember though, that the Territory's system relies on the Bosch 8.0 stability control system, so unless you want to get a couple of LSD's allround, have a think about the software needed.

Edited 30/09/04 05:02 AM by FPV GTHO

[Trough Lolly]

  FPV GTHO said:

Has anyone actually had a good look at the rear end of an XR6T to tub it....unless its a ute, its not as simple as getting the tubs, youve got the control blades in the way. You'd have to think about converting back to a live axle or something...

still WAY cheaper than an awd setup.

also has more advantages! with a live axle setup u can go the famous 9' route and have HEAPS more diff options to choose from weather it be mini spool,detroit locker.. u name it, its available with a lvie axle.

not to mention the countless ratios u can use and change in a matter of 15 mins with 2 spanners.

this awd idea is ridiculous, waste of $$$.

even better, buy a XC Coupe, and slap the xr6t engine and gearbox in! lol.

[FPV GTHO]

which ones more than likel going to be the easier to drive on a daily basis though, you could well imagine how hard someone could find driving an XR6T with 12" tyres on the back on a Detroit Locker