My stage one is complete 358.9rwkw

[bcl]

If you look at there products everything is half ass'd

example look at there plemium camber another set of injector on it cause unichip cant handle bigger injectors

you couldnt pay me to use there products

this is my opinion

Nice comment very productive to the conversation, as I am one of the people with the half assed products on my car I dont see how your car is producing any better results than the half assed stuff from aps...mines only on 14.5psi and easly makes 341 with a very conservative tune and standard ford manifold.It was running similar boost to yours and making more power but I had it turned down as my engine internals are still standard.

Also your comments about running staged injectors is not really correct, if you run a very large injector it wont have the sort of control at small duty cycles as a smaller injector , therefore staged injectors will give you good clean emmisions and standard car drivabilty at low power levels, this may not be important to some people but there is a reason for it and its got nothing to do with your "half assed" theory.

that's just my oppinion and I put it foward with out bagging other products used by

forum members

Cheers

Frank

Thanks Frank,

Why don't you publish your power/boost graphs in your own thread so we can see how yours looks and substantiate your claims.

As for adding extra injectors it's a throw-back to the late 80's and early 90's, and a knee-jerk solution to not getting enough fuel via available injectors. I've used extra injectors back 15 years ago. It may be pre-emptive to discuss this, but I believe that although you may lose some idle quality with big injectors, going with 6 extra injectors you'll have very little tuning/mapping capability with 6 extra injectors. That will probably be the subject of another thread in 3 months time, when we review how these cars are tuned. Usually with big horsepower, via big cams, turbos etc there are usually tradeoffs.

How about I try the big injectors, you try the extra 6 injectors, and we'll compare results.

Brian

[ktford]

I think you can see that we're all really keen to see you go down the track, be thee Nizpro lovers or not.

Scotty

[TURBO4LT]

If you look at there products everything is half ass'd

example look at there plemium camber another set of injector on it cause unichip cant handle bigger injectors

you couldnt pay me to use there products

this is my opinion

Nice comment very productive to the conversation, as I am one of the people with the half assed products on my car I dont see how your car is producing any better results than the half assed stuff from aps...mines only on 14.5psi and easly makes 341 with a very conservative tune and standard ford manifold.It was running similar boost to yours and making more power but I had it turned down as my engine internals are still standard.

Also your comments about running staged injectors is not really correct, if you run a very large injector it wont have the sort of control at small duty cycles as a smaller injector , therefore staged injectors will give you good clean emmisions and standard car drivabilty at low power levels, this may not be important to some people but there is a reason for it and its got nothing to do with your "half assed" theory.

that's just my oppinion and I put it foward with out bagging other products used by

forum members

Cheers

Frank

Thanks Frank,

Why don't you publish your power/boost graphs in your own thread so we can see how yours looks and substantiate your claims.

As for adding extra injectors it's a throw-back to the late 80's and early 90's, and a knee-jerk solution to not getting enough fuel via available injectors. I've used extra injectors back 15 years ago. It may be pre-emptive to discuss this, but I believe that although you may lose some idle quality with big injectors, going with 6 extra injectors you'll have very little tuning/mapping capability with 6 extra injectors. That will probably be the subject of another thread in 3 months time, when we review how these cars are tuned. Usually with big horsepower, via big cams, turbos etc there are usually tradeoffs.

How about I try the big injectors, you try the extra 6 injectors, and we'll compare results.

Brian

Sounds like a plan and I wont go into any further discussions on your opinions as you rightly pointed out its not my thread....however I only replyed due to the comments made being total crap.

Frank

[Geeseman]

Having seen the APS falcon with stage 4 gear with its extra 6 injectors at the sydney Expensive Daewoo vs ford show, I can say that it idles properly and managed to run over 420 rwkw without much trouble

It should only be a couple of grand over Phase III as well, although the rods do need to be addressed.

[aps]

As for adding extra injectors it's a throw-back to the late 80's and early 90's, and a knee-jerk solution to not getting enough fuel via available injectors.

Hey brian I bet you any amount of money that the 6 correctly mapped aux injectors on the T engine will be emission legal, smoother to drive, and more fuel efficient than 6 very large injectors controlled by a stand alone computer.

Peter

APS

[bcl]

As for adding extra injectors it's a throw-back to the late 80's and early 90's, and a knee-jerk solution to not getting enough fuel via available injectors.

Hey brian I bet you any amount of money that the 6 correctly mapped aux injectors on the T engine will be emission legal, smoother to drive, and more fuel efficient than 6 very large injectors controlled by a stand alone computer.

Peter

APS

Time will tell Peter.

I have fond recollection of considered advice from APS that T5 gearboxes had no problems whatever after being thrashed in APS testing. I now know of 8 gearboxes that have been replaced with T56's, and many of these run APS gear.

Also I remember the derision from you after I reported that I put strengthened internals in my car. I now know of a number of APS cars that have blown engines.

So let's just see what eventuates on this matter.

You may be right, but then again....

[aps]

Also I remember the derision from you after I reported that I put strengthened internals in my car. I now know of a number of APS cars that have blown engines.

So let's just see what eventuates on this matter.

You may be right, but then again....

Yeah the best way to debate an issue when you don't know what you on about is to change the topic..............well done Brian.

I can also say that I know of many Nizpro engines which have failed and this does not make it absolutely true and I doubt that your comments are accurate.............though this has nothing to do with your original comments pertaining to aux injectors.

I sure I'm right and I look foward to you providing an emission report proving that your car is emission legal..............otherwise you have just designed another illegal high performance road car..............good stuff. :lol:

Peter

APS

[macka'sxr6t]

APS

I'm very interested in how these 6 aux injectors are run.

Are they run on the same map as the main injectors?

If so how can you fine tune them?

Are they run on a seperate map?

I was led to believe that the Unichip cannot run 2 maps

macka

[Dr Z]

Interesting points bcl, though one wonders if ANY OEM or after-market tuner can offer ANY guarantees that driveline components may not break down. At the Sydney APS day earlier in 2004, I distinctly recall David Inall mentioning multiple times that long term reliability and longevity of driveline components is largely dependent on the type of driving style by the driver. Also, as you may recall this caveat came following advice about David's confidence in the T5.

For example, even Ford gets testy about warranty if they suspect "hard" driving to be the cause of problems. So does anyone know of ANY OEM or after-market tuner that offers 100% guarantees of driveline components without such caveats? If so, please enlighten us.

Safe and happy driving...Dr Z.

[Guest xrtwpn]

Interesting points bcl, though one wonders if ANY OEM or after-market tuner can offer ANY guarantees that driveline components may not break down. At the Sydney APS day earlier in 2004, I distinctly recall David Inall mentioning multiple times that long term reliability and longevity of driveline components is largely dependent on the type of driving style by the driver. Also, as you may recall this caveat came following advice about David's confidence in the T5.

For example, even Ford gets testy about warranty if they suspect "hard" driving to be the cause of problems. So does anyone know of ANY OEM or after-market tuner that offers 100% guarantees of driveline components without such caveats? If so, please enlighten us.

Safe and happy driving...Dr Z.

APS told me on the phone that they have a test car with 450rwkw with the stock t5 gear box I then find out that they have a mal wood gear box from mal wood himself

I have almost 360rwkw and I havnt driven the car hard at all and my gear box is dead

So I find it really hard to beleive that it depend on how you drive the t5 is a weak gear box that's why ford is changing to the 6 speed so quickly I have friends within ford that said them selve the xr6 turbos are breaking the t5 gear boxs with stock engines

no matter what way you go with the xr6 auto or manual you are going to break something , I think that's the only advantage Expensive Daewoo has over us there gear box's are much tuffer