Curfews for P Platers?

[JB]

  -carty said:

and with what your saying about the licencing side of it, you are talking about the power-weight ratio's yes? my bad cause I didnt see that you were both in vic... nsw dont have any of that power-weight ratios...

Power to weight ratio's Stop it your killing me!

Apparently there is that rule in Vic, somewhere, sometime ago, never seen it enforced though. There are P platers getting around in everything you can imagine, GTR's, 180sx's, V8's and so on. But they are not to blame.

I agree with Redhwk and Vik, proper driver training, I put myself through it when I got my licence, I believe it should be mandatory. These days driving instructors teach how to pass a test, not drive a car. We should have some form of tiered system against what pwr car you can drive against what course you have done, same as truck drivers. It's not the P platers that are at fault, it is a lack of driver training and knowlegde. There are as many bad P platers out there as there is any other driver on the road, they just get segregated as they are easily indentifiable.

[pym]

Whilst it is very tragic to hear of young kids dying, why should the majority of young law abiding kids be penalised, especially if they have to drive to and from work at unsocial hours thanks to the lack of effective public transport.

Does anyone suggest curfews when adults die ?

There are many alternatives, and probably the most effective would be effective driver training. Support that with effective policing of the law, and it may help.

However, there will always be the occasion when someone is determined to drive in such a manner that will kill them, and make headline news. As tragic as it will be, don't penalise the remainder who need cars to survive.

[Blown BA]

  JB said:

  -carty said:

and with what your saying about the licencing side of it, you are talking about the power-weight ratio's yes? my bad cause I didnt see that you were both in vic... nsw dont have any of that power-weight ratios...

Power to weight ratio's Stop it your killing me!

Apparently there is that rule in Vic, somewhere, sometime ago, never seen it enforced though. There are P platers getting around in everything you can imagine, GTR's, 180sx's, V8's and so on. But they are not to blame.

I agree with Redhwk and Vik, proper driver training, I put myself through it when I got my licence, I believe it should be mandatory. These days driving instructors teach how to pass a test, not drive a car. We should have some form of tiered system against what pwr car you can drive against what course you have done, same as truck drivers. It's not the P platers that are at fault, it is a lack of driver training and knowlegde. There are as many bad P platers out there as there is any other driver on the road, they just get segregated as they are easily indentifiable.

l agree

[3rdTurbo]

  pym said:

Whilst it is very tragic to hear of young kids dying, why should the majority of young law abiding kids be penalised, especially if they have to drive to and from work at unsocial hours thanks to the lack of effective public transport.

Does anyone suggest curfews when adults die ?

There are many alternatives, and probably the most effective would be effective driver training. Support that with effective policing of the law, and it may help.

However, there will always be the occasion when someone is determined to drive in such a manner that will kill them, and make headline news. As tragic as it will be, don't penalise the remainder who need cars to survive.

Here, here

[Buf-Phoon]

  JB said:

  -carty said:

and with what your saying about the licencing side of it, you are talking about the power-weight ratio's yes? my bad cause I didnt see that you were both in vic... nsw dont have any of that power-weight ratios...

Power to weight ratio's Stop it your killing me!

Apparently there is that rule in Vic, somewhere, sometime ago, never seen it enforced though. There are P platers getting around in everything you can imagine, GTR's, 180sx's, V8's and so on. But they are not to blame.

I agree with Redhwk and Vik, proper driver training, I put myself through it when I got my licence, I believe it should be mandatory. These days driving instructors teach how to pass a test, not drive a car. We should have some form of tiered system against what pwr car you can drive against what course you have done, same as truck drivers. It's not the P platers that are at fault, it is a lack of driver training and knowlegde. There are as many bad P platers out there as there is any other driver on the road, they just get segregated as they are easily indentifiable.

JB , I agree with the majority of your post re training but particularly a focus on education.

It is critical that drivers truly understand the capabilities and limititations of their vehicles in a controlled environment, but young drivers also need to have top of mind what can happen when things go wrong. Practical Driver training MUST go hand in hand with education.Otherwise we end up with a load of overconfident too fast too furious P platers blatting around on public roads

Additionally IMO these attributes should be tested at least every 5-7 years to weed out the other incompetent and complacent fools out there.

A licence is a privelige not a right , and the appropriate rigour of ongoing compliance to both practical and theortical expertise needs to be demonstrated by all drivers

My 2.2 cents

[tab]

  WhiteTee said:

Additionally IMO these attributes should be tested at least every 5-7 years to weed out the other incompetent and complacent fools out there.

A licence is a privelige not a right , and the appropriate rigour of ongoing compliance to both practical and theortical expertise needs to be demonstrated by all drivers

Absofrickenlutely!

Although I think it is absolutely imperative that everyone learns to drive properly the first time, how many of the older and supposedly more experienced drivers actually cause accidents – I know as I was just a victim of this, being under 25 and all and involved in a significant accident through no fault of my own, solely caused through the carelessness of a middle aged driver.

Not one of my friends or close relatives in this so-called danger group have been the cause of an accident (on a public road anyway), obviously they do still occur but it seems to me as another case of a stereotype in full swing based on misconstrued statistics.

I can’t imagine it ever happening, but I would be all for resitting a “real” practical test every five years.

Trent.

[Trough Lolly]

well im a P Plater.. and I like to think ive atleast got half a brain, so I done a little research.

some idiotic government twit came up with these findings/info:

If a curfew was to be brought in from the time periods of 10pm at night to 5pm in the morning 40% less accidents and deahts involving P platers will be saved.

UMM HELLO... ???? How can they say that's a fuggin drop!? of course 40% of p platers arent gunna crash or die in them hours cuz that's 40% OF THE WHOLE BLOODY DAY!!

rofl.. how POINTLESS.

also did they stop and think about people that have to work nights? such as pizza boys, bakers and such... ?

this curfew crap has been discussed for years now and thrown out everytime without fail. if I see this in another forum im gunna scream!

I agree alot of younger drivers are idiots on the roads, also I know alot of older drivers that are idiots behind the wheel too! if I recall ive seen alot of you blokes yourselfs tell us about your hairy moments in your "T's" and such..

Edited 14/09/04 02:19 PM by Trough Lolly

[JB]

  WhiteTee said:

  JB said:

  -carty said:

and with what your saying about the licencing side of it, you are talking about the power-weight ratio's yes? my bad cause I didnt see that you were both in vic... nsw dont have any of that power-weight ratios...

Power to weight ratio's Stop it your killing me!

Apparently there is that rule in Vic, somewhere, sometime ago, never seen it enforced though. There are P platers getting around in everything you can imagine, GTR's, 180sx's, V8's and so on. But they are not to blame.

I agree with Redhwk and Vik, proper driver training, I put myself through it when I got my licence, I believe it should be mandatory. These days driving instructors teach how to pass a test, not drive a car. We should have some form of tiered system against what pwr car you can drive against what course you have done, same as truck drivers. It's not the P platers that are at fault, it is a lack of driver training and knowlegde. There are as many bad P platers out there as there is any other driver on the road, they just get segregated as they are easily indentifiable.

JB , I agree with the majority of your post re training but particularly a focus on education.

It is critical that drivers truly understand the capabilities and limititations of their vehicles in a controlled environment, but young drivers also need to have top of mind what can happen when things go wrong. Practical Driver training MUST go hand in hand with education.Otherwise we end up with a load of overconfident too fast too furious P platers blatting around on public roads

Additionally IMO these attributes should be tested at least every 5-7 years to weed out the other incompetent and complacent fools out there.

A licence is a privelige not a right , and the appropriate rigour of ongoing compliance to both practical and theortical expertise needs to be demonstrated by all drivers

My 2.2 cents

Agree with your sentiments WT.

I did a refresher course a couple of years ago and there was a girl who was sent along by her parents, as she had just gained her licence in previous weeks.

She lasted the first exercise in where you had to accelerate to 60k and when told to brake swerve and pull up missing all the cones in the process. Before she even got in the car she was in tears and refused to do it. The instructor demonstrated with a car, still she would not do it. He then demonstrated with her car on how easy it was. Yet agin she just cried. He then put her in the passenger seat and did it again this time reaching down with his hand to apply the brake!

This particular girl did not end up completeing any more of the day as she was just balling her eyes out as she was too scared to emergency brake and swerve.

Yet she manged to obtain a licence? This was in a controled environment, so what the hell happens when she is out on the actual road with other drivers, poles and pedestrians? We could not get over the fact that she would not do it yet was happy to get in the car and drive on the main roads, so who will she end up killing when a emergency situation arises.

As I said people are taught to pass their test, not how to drive a car and the implications that it may present.

[Guest]

JB,you idiot!! didnt you watch australias worst drivers???

In an emergency all girls just put their hands up and cover their eyes(some screem as well) and its all ok and have a giggle,and that's how it is...

vik

[pym]

So perhaps car manufacturers ought to provide female versions of the cars, with the break pedal as an option