12 points is not enough for everyone

[JJ_Phantom]

I have no probs with 12 points - but agree that double weekends are becoming a joke.

My 2.2c - - I think that no seatbelt should be at least half of your points straight off. People that are stupid enough to not wear a belt are to stupid to drive on our roads.

[Honest Gaza]

  JJ_Phantom said:

I have no probs with 12 points - but agree that double weekends are becoming a joke.

My 2.2c - - I think that no seatbelt should be at least half of your points straight off. People that are stupid enough to not wear a belt are to stupid to drive on our roads.

....and if they are stupid enough to let their kids jump around on the backseat without belts....beat the crap out of them.

[Cro]

  Honest Gaza said:

  JJ_Phantom said:

I have no probs with 12 points - but agree that double weekends are becoming a joke.

My 2.2c - - I think that no seatbelt should be at least half of your points straight off.  People that are stupid enough to not wear a belt are to stupid to drive on our roads.

....and if they are stupid enough to let their kids jump around on the backseat without belts....beat the crap out of them.

Spot on...seat belts save lives. They saved (amongs other forces) me without doubt.

[NT TURBO]

I agree!! The point system sux.....Move to the NT lol there isnt one.

[KittyKatSmack]

  OwnaXR6T said:

  KittyKatSmack said:

C'mon OwnaXR6T

You know the rules

If you break the rules, you gotta cop it sweet.

Everyone in this thread has given some good advice here, maybe something to think about?

And I agree with sutty, if you are losing your concentration maybe it's time to stop and have a coffee and work out what you are supposed to be doing next before you get back behind the wheel.

I have been caught speeding numerous times, I don't blame anyone but myself coz it's my own fault.

Same goes for you......

sorry

well that's the attitude that is making these polies get away with their bullsh*t. I know they are the rules but the point behind alot of them is revenue.

Yeah I drive fast sometimes and I do so in areas that I know the chances of being books is low and I can assure u I have never been booked when ive been driving like that.

All my booking have been when I think im being quite conservative and careful. I don't like constantly looking at my speedo in the sydney city to see if im able to pull off riding my brake threw ridiculous 50 zones. Even the way the 40km zones in the school areas are posted. u find urself braking then looking at the clock befor I relax. They need a flashing light or something on the speed sign so u don't have to look for the clock.. I believe im a safe driver on the road and I take driving very seriously.

If we keep coping it up the a*ss the speed limits will get even more ridicoulous and eventually they will bring in that satilite auto pilot that adjusts your speed when u arrive at slower speed limits. slowly but surely if we keep the attitude of " you know the rules so its your own fault crap it will happen. Yeah I know the rules I do obay them alot but god its ridiculous. Please please change 50 back to 60 please.

Also for the people that say we would start saying 15 points is not enough I don't believe that to be the case I find when im on 12 or 6 points I don't change my driving that much.

On the other hand im not against speed cameras because in away they are testers for how alert u are and if u get done by a fixed camera u deserve it for not noticing the 3 big signs that warn u. I have only been done by one fixed camera in my whole life and that was in the harbour tunnel 91 in a 80. I just think they should be set a little higher maybe 10k over for trigger cause everyone does nearly 20 under the limit just to be sure they dont get sprung.

anyway its my opinion and I know not everyone agees but I love cars and I love driving and it upsets me to watch what is happening with our road rules. 4-5 years ago 12 points was enough but not these days it isnt.

I'm sorry my opinion did not match yours, but I call em as I see em.

I also think you will find that the reason behind the speed limits we have is safety.

Whether it is someone inexperienced who can't handle a car, someone that is distracted and didn't see X in middle of road, add multitudes of other reasons here.... accidents happen and it is an attempt to keep fatalities at a minimum.

Whilst driving Bruce back from Adelaide, I was barely Hay side of Wagga doing 10kmph over the limit when I rounded a bend to discover a ute stopped in the middle of the road with right indicator flashing..... If I had been in any other car than the T, I doubt I could have successfully avoided an accident. If I was going any faster, there is no way I would have avoided an accident. That is not a reflection of my driving skills, it is physics.

It's not only about your driving, but your ability to handle situations that come up.

As a country driver, you can surely understand animals and other road users as a cause of accidents too.

Reaction time is drastically reduced the faster you go, simple as that.

I am not saying 50kmph speed limits are easy to live with, but I can at least understand why it exists.

You asked for our opinion, you got it.

There is more to the law than just money, it is public safety.

Good luck to you and your massive amounts of driving, I understand how difficult it will be for you to do your job if you lose your license. I also know that a long day in the car leaves you with a desire to apply the right foot and get home faster.

So far you seem to have had extreme good luck, and I hope this continues to favour you. Maybe just obeying the law for a while will ensure you have a prosperous career.

Best wishes whatever course of action you take.

*why do people not wear seatbelts? I mean it isn't as if it is a difficult thing to do? A good call by JJ_Phantom*

[Geeseman]

I don't think the point system for speeding works at all. Minor infringements in speeding should not incur points, only fines. I think the $ hit to the pocket is enough reason to slow down. Red lights infringements etc are fair enough.

I see plenty of drivers on the road each day who speed slightly over the limit yet are safe drivers because they indicate, change lanes properly, don't tailgate and pay respect to others on the road. It's the dumb arse drivers who don't obey the general rules who are a danger to all, not minor speeders. If I had a dollar for every moron I see changing lanes across intersections or not indicating, drivng too slow and swerving all over the road at all I'd be bloody rich.

[OwnaXR6T]

  KittyKatSmack said:

  OwnaXR6T said:

  KittyKatSmack said:

C'mon OwnaXR6T

You know the rules

If you break the rules, you gotta cop it sweet.

Everyone in this thread has given some good advice here, maybe something to think about?

And I agree with sutty, if you are losing your concentration maybe it's time to stop and have a coffee and work out what you are supposed to be doing next before you get back behind the wheel.

I have been caught speeding numerous times, I don't blame anyone but myself coz it's my own fault.

Same goes for you......

sorry

well that's the attitude that is making these polies get away with their bullsh*t. I know they are the rules but the point behind alot of them is revenue.

Yeah I drive fast sometimes and I do so in areas that I know the chances of being books is low and I can assure u I have never been booked when ive been driving like that.

All my booking have been when I think im being quite conservative and careful. I don't like constantly looking at my speedo in the sydney city to see if im able to pull off riding my brake threw ridiculous 50 zones. Even the way the 40km zones in the school areas are posted. u find urself braking then looking at the clock befor I relax. They need a flashing light or something on the speed sign so u don't have to look for the clock.. I believe im a safe driver on the road and I take driving very seriously.

If we keep coping it up the a*ss the speed limits will get even more ridicoulous and eventually they will bring in that satilite auto pilot that adjusts your speed when u arrive at slower speed limits. slowly but surely if we keep the attitude of " you know the rules so its your own fault crap it will happen. Yeah I know the rules I do obay them alot but god its ridiculous. Please please change 50 back to 60 please.

Also for the people that say we would start saying 15 points is not enough I don't believe that to be the case I find when im on 12 or 6 points I don't change my driving that much.

On the other hand im not against speed cameras because in away they are testers for how alert u are and if u get done by a fixed camera u deserve it for not noticing the 3 big signs that warn u. I have only been done by one fixed camera in my whole life and that was in the harbour tunnel 91 in a 80. I just think they should be set a little higher maybe 10k over for trigger cause everyone does nearly 20 under the limit just to be sure they dont get sprung.

anyway its my opinion and I know not everyone agees but I love cars and I love driving and it upsets me to watch what is happening with our road rules. 4-5 years ago 12 points was enough but not these days it isnt.

I'm sorry my opinion did not match yours, but I call em as I see em.

I also think you will find that the reason behind the speed limits we have is safety.

Whether it is someone inexperienced who can't handle a car, someone that is distracted and didn't see X in middle of road, add multitudes of other reasons here.... accidents happen and it is an attempt to keep fatalities at a minimum.

Whilst driving Bruce back from Adelaide, I was barely Hay side of Wagga doing 10kmph over the limit when I rounded a bend to discover a ute stopped in the middle of the road with right indicator flashing..... If I had been in any other car than the T, I doubt I could have successfully avoided an accident. If I was going any faster, there is no way I would have avoided an accident. That is not a reflection of my driving skills, it is physics.

It's not only about your driving, but your ability to handle situations that come up.

As a country driver, you can surely understand animals and other road users as a cause of accidents too.

Reaction time is drastically reduced the faster you go, simple as that.

I am not saying 50kmph speed limits are easy to live with, but I can at least understand why it exists.

You asked for our opinion, you got it.

There is more to the law than just money, it is public safety.

Good luck to you and your massive amounts of driving, I understand how difficult it will be for you to do your job if you lose your license. I also know that a long day in the car leaves you with a desire to apply the right foot and get home faster.

So far you seem to have had extreme good luck, and I hope this continues to favour you. Maybe just obeying the law for a while will ensure you have a prosperous career.

Best wishes whatever course of action you take.

*why do people not wear seatbelts? I mean it isn't as if it is a difficult thing to do? A good call by JJ_Phantom*

Well I bet the government is glad to have people like you amoungst the community!! It won't be hard to convince people like you that 50km/h should be really 40km/h. Oh and 110km/h on a 3 lane highway is there for safety right, sure you have me convinced. tell that to all the victoms of fatige.......

Anyway all I see is speed limits going down and cars getting safer doesn't make sense.

[KittyKatSmack]

Why do you even ask for peoples opinions if all you are going to do is not read them properly and make scornful comments?

[Honest Gaza]

Come on OwnaXR6T...give it a rest.

There are speed limits everywhere. Stick to them and you'll be ok.

Break them ( and get caught ) ....cop it sweet.

Enough already.

[pym]

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Anyway all I see is speed limits going down and cars getting safer doesn't make sense.

Very true, but are people's time to react getting any faster ?. Nope. Car's getting safer only mean that you are more likely to walk out alive if you are in an accident.

Personally, whilst I don't necessarily agree with the overall demerit scheme, there are some factors which do contribuute to safer driving, ie the fear of being caught and loosing your licence.

The only way to get rid of the demerit scheme would be to put more cameras / police on patrol to enforce the rules of the road, but then again will this ever happen ?. Probably not in my lifetime.

Just accept the fact that this is the way it is. If you want to take the risk so be it, but that is your choice. I used to take the risk back in the UK (8 years driving in excess of 80,000lms / year and only got booked once by an umarked police car).

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2. Increased speedlimits on the relevant motor ways for cars deemed safe enough to be allowed to go those speeds. Make people have their cars approved at purchase (thru the dealer maybe) or at a Vicroads centre (say every 2 to 3 years) to be able to go at the faster speeds... and yes charge us for that priveledge to support this idea..

Personally I think this idea is absolutely rubbish. Has anyone considered the physical road conditions ?. The roads in Australia are far worse than the roads in Europe. It can be scary changing lanes at 110kmh across the ridges created by heavy lorries...What would it be like at 130kmh or faster. Once Australia provides a good consistent standard of road building, then perhaps this is something which could be considered, just in increasing the limits to 120/130, perhaps even faster when technology becomes standard to keep a consistent distance from the car in front, thereby removing human reaction times.