12 points is not enough for everyone

[OwnaXR6T]

C'mon OwnaXR6T

You know the rules

If you break the rules, you gotta cop it sweet.

Everyone in this thread has given some good advice here, maybe something to think about?

And I agree with sutty, if you are losing your concentration maybe it's time to stop and have a coffee and work out what you are supposed to be doing next before you get back behind the wheel.

I have been caught speeding numerous times, I don't blame anyone but myself coz it's my own fault.

Same goes for you......

sorry

well that's the attitude that is making these polies get away with their bullsh*t. I know they are the rules but the point behind alot of them is revenue.

Yeah I drive fast sometimes and I do so in areas that I know the chances of being books is low and I can assure u I have never been booked when ive been driving like that.

All my booking have been when I think im being quite conservative and careful. I don't like constantly looking at my speedo in the sydney city to see if im able to pull off riding my brake threw ridiculous 50 zones. Even the way the 40km zones in the school areas are posted. u find urself braking then looking at the clock befor I relax. They need a flashing light or something on the speed sign so u don't have to look for the clock.. I believe im a safe driver on the road and I take driving very seriously.

If we keep coping it up the a*ss the speed limits will get even more ridicoulous and eventually they will bring in that satilite auto pilot that adjusts your speed when u arrive at slower speed limits. slowly but surely if we keep the attitude of " you know the rules so its your own fault crap it will happen. Yeah I know the rules I do obay them alot but god its ridiculous. Please please change 50 back to 60 please.

Also for the people that say we would start saying 15 points is not enough I don't believe that to be the case I find when im on 12 or 6 points I don't change my driving that much.

On the other hand im not against speed cameras because in away they are testers for how alert u are and if u get done by a fixed camera u deserve it for not noticing the 3 big signs that warn u. I have only been done by one fixed camera in my whole life and that was in the harbour tunnel 91 in a 80. I just think they should be set a little higher maybe 10k over for trigger cause everyone does nearly 20 under the limit just to be sure they dont get sprung.

anyway its my opinion and I know not everyone agees but I love cars and I love driving and it upsets me to watch what is happening with our road rules. 4-5 years ago 12 points was enough but not these days it isnt.

[Velvet Glove]

It strikes me as funny that some people think that they need more points because they drive a lot, while I could find 20 mates who are travelling salesmen, professional drivers and the like who lose few, if any points at all.

I drive about 40K a year in my car and probably near enough to the same at work. We can and do get booked in Police cars if we cant justify our driving, and the days of flashing 'freddie' and getting off a ticket when in your own car are well and truly gone. Speed cameras dont discriminate either

In the last 10 years I've lost a total of 3 points. Its not about driving like a saint but being aware of your surroundings and what may/may not happen. If I am in a suburban area and cant see a sign then I'll assume the speed limit is 50. If I am near a school zone but cant see a sign I'll assume it's 40. If I'm driving down a main street I'll drive horribly close to 60 until I see something that tells me otherwise.

What you have been given is some sensible advice about your driving. You say that all your bookings have been when you are driving 'carefully and conservatively'........well that's in your opinion. If you really had've been careful you wouldnt have been going so quickly.

4 or 5 years ago the amount of points you lost for speeding for 15-30 over the limit is the same as it is today (3). There may be more speed cameras around but, at the same time, you'll probably find less police doing fixed point speed work. That is true where I live.

If no-one broke road rules then govts would get no money from it. The amount they gain in revenue is quite small when you balance it against other forms of revenue raising. Trust me, pollies spend no time worrying about speed limits etc etc. There is no big conspiracy here.

It sounds as though you really need to look at how you drive and pay a little bit more attention to your surroundings. Your problem with points definitely puts you in the minority. I have friends that have driven in performance vehicles their whole driving lives and have lost no points at all.

Its called involuntary taxation. If you dont wanna contribute, dont speed. Like I have said all along, I have only had one person to blame for every fine I've copped, whether it be traffic or parking...........me !!

[tongueboy]

.......driving 30 years and averaged 40,000ks a year and have been done 3 times! Once in '77 and twice in '02.... the last two being radar and red light camera!!! And I ain't the worlds best driver(who is?) Mate you are going to have to address your driving habits!

[Guest Elvis Brown]

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[tab]

We do come holiday seasons Tab.

Our demerrit system cannot be changed without a restructure of the governing legislation, and they haven't snuck that through as yet!

[who carez]

IMHO - instead of increasing the demerit points, the speed limit should increase, yay. :D :D

[Miyagi]

okok I'm a 23 y/o male who drives an XR6T... it's my first real car (had a beasty EA Wagon S Pack previously known as 'The White Panther'

As a travelling IT sales person who drives from Geelong to Melb each day... bout a 130 km round trip up one of the most policed highways in the state... I've had a good run thus far... I generally sit in the 110-120km/h vicinity as any slower simply feels wrong in the car. I think I've spent about 6 of my points in my time I've had my licence and I'm yet to be booked in my T which is either lucky, or the police understand the capabilities of the car. I'm not one to be weaving in and out of lanes at the speeds I'm moving, I'm just driving thoughtfully at a speed our cars are certainly capable of...

... that said when the gauntlet throws down on the way back home and I'm feeling up for a challenge I will open the bad boy up a little further

I don't think the demerit system needs changing... here are a couple of my pipe dream ideas I think would be great..

1. Compulsory advanced drivers course post getting your Ps - would at least make the young ppl who drive likes hoons... a safer hoon. (I was kinda one of em.. but I knew my mortality even @ 18 and hey.. I had an EA Wagon )

2. Increased speedlimits on the relevant motor ways for cars deemed safe enough to be allowed to go those speeds. Make people have their cars approved at purchase (thru the dealer maybe) or at a Vicroads centre (say every 2 to 3 years) to be able to go at the faster speeds... and yes charge us for that priveledge to support this idea..

Anyone care to add to that list?

I think we all agree on here (we are a bit biased ) that speed doesnt necessarily mean an increase in danger... fatigue, alcohol, drugs and a bit of bad judgement / driving are the main dangers on the road methinks...

/brain dump end.

Cheers,

Miyagi

[justind]

I don't think the demerit system needs changing... here are a couple of my pipe dream ideas I think would be great..

1. Compulsory advanced drivers course post getting your Ps - would at least make the young ppl who drive likes hoons... a safer hoon. (I was kinda one of em.. but I knew my mortality even @ 18 and hey.. I had an EA Wagon )

2. Increased speedlimits on the relevant motor ways for cars deemed safe enough to be allowed to go those speeds. Make people have their cars approved at purchase (thru the dealer maybe) or at a Vicroads centre (say every 2 to 3 years) to be able to go at the faster speeds... and yes charge us for that priveledge to support this idea.. 

Anyone care to add to that list?

I think we all agree on here (we are a bit biased  ) that speed doesnt necessarily mean an increase in danger... fatigue, alcohol, drugs and a bit of bad judgement / driving are the main dangers on the road methinks...

/brain dump end.

Cheers,

Miyagi

I would agree to that excepting a few points that need to be considered.

1.apart from pulling you over how could the police identify which cars are or are not approved.

2.Insurance companies will love to put an aditional primium on such a thing.

3.what about the other d!ckhe@ds on the road ? Nothing worse than rounding a corner at 110 to find little old pensioner doing 50. If you were doing 130+ it would be worse.

4.Not that I am of this opinion but many would see it as another form of segragation where the rich(those who can afford it) get more privalage than the poor(those who can't afford it)

As far as driver education goes it is a real joke here. Many places in europe it is compolsory to have a minimum of 20 lessons and 4 of which are in a skid pan. Only after this may you even attempt to go for you license. Even then many fail.

Compolsory roadworthy every year to ensure all cars are maintained to an acceptable level and the list goes on. I have spent many years driving in europe at speeds exceeding 240km/h and I would consider myself quite capable of doing so here but the other road users make it too risky to do so especially looking at point 3 above.

Forgive my spelling I am sure some words are wrong but it is past my bedtime. (Shift worker)

[Miyagi]

I don't think the demerit system needs changing... here are a couple of my pipe dream ideas I think would be great..

1. Compulsory advanced drivers course post getting your Ps - would at least make the young ppl who drive likes hoons... a safer hoon. (I was kinda one of em.. but I knew my mortality even @ 18 and hey.. I had an EA Wagon )

2. Increased speedlimits on the relevant motor ways for cars deemed safe enough to be allowed to go those speeds. Make people have their cars approved at purchase (thru the dealer maybe) or at a Vicroads centre (say every 2 to 3 years) to be able to go at the faster speeds... and yes charge us for that priveledge to support this idea.. 

Anyone care to add to that list?

I think we all agree on here (we are a bit biased  ) that speed doesnt necessarily mean an increase in danger... fatigue, alcohol, drugs and a bit of bad judgement / driving are the main dangers on the road methinks...

/brain dump end.

Cheers,

Miyagi

I would agree to that excepting a few points that need to be considered.

1.apart from pulling you over how could the police identify which cars are or are not approved.

2.Insurance companies will love to put an aditional primium on such a thing.

3.what about the other d!ckhe@ds on the road ? Nothing worse than rounding a corner at 110 to find little old pensioner doing 50. If you were doing 130+ it would be worse.

4.Not that I am of this opinion but many would see it as another form of segragation where the rich(those who can afford it) get more privalage than the poor(those who can't afford it)

I guess to quickly answer your points (which are certainly valid):

1. It's relatively an honor system.. (like all our laws methinks?) and as I said fully funded by us higher speed freakers.. In the case of a speed camera shooting someone going faster.. in this age of technology, I'm sure a database can be maintained to ascertain whether that person should receive a fine or not...

2. Only cars that are capable of the high speeds are safey are approved and if it's govt endorsed then those cars really aren't any more dangerous than those not up to the challenge. I can appreciate the point and that insurance companies most likely would try something on, but realistically if the govt says it's good and safe for the people, then there shouldn't be a disparity.

3. I'm not talking faster speeds on anyware BUT the safest highways.. if you are doing 110 around your streets, then I wreckon you're the dickhead

4. It's not about the rich getting more, it's about road safety... but I can appreciate the devil's advocate stance. Fact is, we don't live in a even society and I don't really think social segregation is a concern...

on a completely different note..

It's a wild and wooly world out there... maybe curfews for P Platers whilst being drastic may work. Simply put if it saved 1 life per year, it would be considered a success... no?

Cheers,

Miyagi

[justind]

Fair points in you reply but I still don't think it would work as much as I would like the idea. As to curfews for "p" platers I personally think saving a life todays in the 18-21 age bracket might be oonsidered a success but if the same driver aged 25 due to lack of experience has a fatal accident you are just moving the problem to the next age group. Where is the success in that?