Mosman Council

[aniken]

outdoor eating area's were designed for smokers. What are the chances of any smoke going INSIDE the resteraunt which is the NON-SMOKING area.

Resteraunts/Cafe's/etc// knew that they would loose a lot of money if they didn't provide a place for smokers to smoke while they eat/drink coffee/etc..

Again, that is why there are OUTDOOR eating area's. To cater for the customers that smoke. AGAIN I'll say it, if you don't want to be exposed to cigarette smoke stay out of the DESIGNATED smoking area!

Designed that way...

Wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that more tables means more bums on seats which means more $ in the cash register. Attributing that trend to smoking only is a bit much IMO.

[Cro]

outdoor eating area's were designed for smokers. What are the chances of any smoke going INSIDE the resteraunt which is the NON-SMOKING area.

Resteraunts/Cafe's/etc// knew that they would loose a lot of money if they didn't provide a place for smokers to smoke while they eat/drink coffee/etc..

Again, that is why there are OUTDOOR eating area's. To cater for the customers that smoke. AGAIN I'll say it, if you don't want to be exposed to cigarette smoke stay out of the DESIGNATED smoking area!

Designed that way...

Wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that more tables means more bums on seats which means more $ in the cash register. Attributing that trend to smoking only is a bit much IMO.

That is why there were no outdoor eating area's BEFORE the laws prohibiting smoking indoors came into play...

That is why there are ash trays on the outside tables and not the inside tables...

That is why most resteraunts have signs telling smokers to smoke outside...

Bit much?

[Turbo6man]

That is why there were no outdoor eating area's BEFORE the laws prohibiting smoking indoors came into play...

Sorry to disagree here mate - you've stated this quite a few times but it is simply not true. It certainly may be true that more restaurants/cafes have added outdoor eating areas, but it has been a trend for many years, and is not attributable only to, or because of, the no-smoking laws. As you are just a young'n you are probably not in a position to know this. Probably in your lifetime and experience it may seem that way.

[ExAreSix]

That is why there were no outdoor eating area's BEFORE the laws prohibiting smoking indoors came into play...

That is why there are ash trays on the outside tables and not the inside tables...

That is why most resteraunts have signs telling smokers to smoke outside...

Bit much?

That's a load of horse sh*te.

'Alfresco dining' has been around much longer than laws prohibiting smoking indoors...

There used to be ash trays on ALL tables, inside and out. Obviously they're not going to be on the tables inside with the current laws... They've been removed, not added to the outside tables.

I'm not going to address the signs... See above.

Bit much?

Bit dumb?

[aniken]

I just find it difficult to believe that if smoking where still allowed indoors, we wouldn't have ANY outdoor eating areas in ANY cafe or restaurant ANYWHERE.

Anyway, back to the topic, I am not in favour of the ban on smoking in outdoor eating areas. The relatively short amount of time you might be exposed to smoke doesn't justify a ban I don't think.

[Cro]

Probably in your lifetime and experience it may seem that way.

You may be right.

As far as I know all the resteraunts/cafe's (I'm talking way over 50) that I've ever been to never had outdoor eating areas till 98/99.

My other points are valid though.

[ZAP]

I am a smoker of 17 years and I no longer want to be.

I think that smoking will cease to exist in my lifetime as there is only 20% of the population that now smoke, and this figure is in decline.

I believe that within the next 20 years you will only be alowed to smoke in private areas, such as your house and car. You will only be able to buy smokes from a chemist with a perscription.

Lighting up a smoke in a public area will soon be looked at the same as shooting up heroin. It is a slow and steady progress towards total social unacceptibility and less tollerance for smokers.

Over the years trends have come and gone and smoking will fade into the worlds history and will be looked at as the number 1 DUMB thing humans did to themselves.

Any smoker that says they enjoy smoking are kidding themselves, if smoking was so enjoyable, would you tell your kids to smoke because they will enjoy it ?

I fully support the moves to stop smoking in public places, soon all pubs and clubs will be smoke free. This is a good thing as many non smokers do not go to nightclubs and pubs because they are smoke dens. Canada has lead the way in anti smoking and they banned smoking in clubs and pubs about 3 years ago. They have found an overall INCREASE in sales of 30% because people can now sit and enjoy their food/drink without the toxic haze.

For all us smokers out there, keep thinking you are enjoying your addiction as we are a MINORITY and a dying generation that will be laughed at by our future generations. I hope to stop soon, I have to for my own sake

[turb06]

I am a smoker of 17 years and I no longer want to be.

I think that smoking will cease to exist in my lifetime as there is only 20% of the population that now smoke, and this figure is in decline.

I believe that within the next 20 years you will only be alowed to smoke in private areas, such as your house and car. You will only be able to buy smokes from a chemist with a perscription.

Lighting up a smoke in a public area will soon be looked at the same as shooting up heroin. It is a slow and steady progress towards total social unacceptibility and less tollerance for smokers.

Over the years trends have come and gone and smoking will fade into the worlds history and will be looked at as the number 1 DUMB thing humans did to themselves.

Any smoker that says they enjoy smoking are kidding themselves, if smoking was so enjoyable, would you tell your kids to smoke because they will enjoy it ?

I fully support the moves to stop smoking in public places, soon all pubs and clubs will be smoke free. This is a good thing as many non smokers do not go to nightclubs and pubs because they are smoke dens. Canada has lead the way in anti smoking and they banned smoking in clubs and pubs about 3 years ago. They have found an overall INCREASE in sales of 30% because people can now sit and enjoy their food/drink without the toxic haze.

For all us smokers out there, keep thinking you are enjoying your addiction as we are a MINORITY and a dying generation that will be laughed at by our future generations. I hope to stop soon, I have to for my own sake

Seems like something has really made you stop and think about what a pointless excersise smoking is, and chances are its exactly what I am thinking.

My father died of lung cancer because of smoking, and all I could say to the guy was serves yourself right, and I can tell you, the doctors dont exactly take sympathy on you either, to quote the guy my father consulted. "Neil, you will die from this, kemo is pointless due to your health at the moment and it will probably kill you faster. Hope the cigarettes were worth it."

Dazza.

[XR6ISM]

Well, just got home from my mates cafe and after a lengthy discussion with him about this topic, he feels that this law may potentially kill his business. I think I mentioned here earlier, 8 out of 10 people that walk into his cafe are smokers. If he has to ban smoking, he will loose alot of his customers.

Turb06, Ive said it before and I say it again, I totally agree and respect no smoking indoors, as you have a right to sit in a smoke free environment, but for some reason, whether it be because your too stubborn headed to understand, or you dont want to understand, smokers should still have the right to enjoy a night out with their friends and light up a smoke, just as you have the right to enjoy a night out with your friends.

You guys may not agree with smoking, you guys may not like smoking, but for f*&k sake, im sure there are things you do that annoy other people too. Lets all put up a stink about everybodies annoying habbits.

I understand that the majority of people dont smoke and that they find it "gross", and at the same time I know there are people who are complete "assholes" and blow smoke toward non smokers. I guess it comes down to the fact that a small minority have spoiled it for a minority as it is.

I dont think my comments are irrational, infact, I think my comments are fair. If anything, turb06, id say your comments are irrational. You obviously arnt taking into consideration other people. Your only thinking about yourself and your own wishes. Ive said it before and ill say it again, ill go into a cafe and pic a seat outside where there are other people smoking. I try my hardest not to sit next to non smokers even if it is outdoors. Furthermore, if the only seat is next to non smokers, I make sure not to blow smoke in their direction, and keep my cigarette in a position where the smoke goes the other way. After going to so much effort to satisfy the needs of people like yourself, why should it get thrown back at my face, why can I no longer enjoy a pizza and smoke whilst chilling out with mates. Im not asking you to agree with smoking, all im saying is that perhaps you should show a little consideration toward people like myself who try hard to keep smoke away from people like you.

I can see you saying "why should I show consideration" and hitting me with more of your "sarcasm" but mate, I dont think what I have said in this post is at all unfair.

My aim here isnt to personally attack any member of this forum, nor to start an argument with people, im just unable to comprehend why some of you are so eager and willing to take away the rights of a minority that are doing more harm to themselves then anything else.

Anyhow, enough from me,

Dean

Edited 09/09/04 03:11 PM by XR6ISM

[sbr79]

OK, now that we have established that this country is now a state of the USA, we can all get on with our lives, or should I say mereling existing to provide mindless labour to the majority.

So if I smoke and you say I stink, then the only one hanging out for a *beep* is you, cause you are standing way too close to me for comfort and I believe your continuous attempts to smell my breath is an invasion of my privatesy and no majority has the right to say that all non-smokers may stick their nose in my face, just because I am a minority.

Well I guess when some say that in time smoking will become Taboo and non-existent, then maybe by then they may have come up with a cure for Lung Cancer (as not all Victims of Lung Cancer are smokers, BUT hey who cares they are the MINORITY, and they have no rights so they must die, because the majority of LUNG cancer victims are smokers and they have the bragging rights to this condition and thus no sympathy shall be shown, no treatment no CURE). So if they invented an odourless smoke which emits a fume that disolves instantly into the air and is harmless would you still have a problem with smokers, or is it that you just enjoy the power trip of being apart of the majority because you don't have the balls to stand alone in the world and live the way you want. OH that's right sorry I forgot YOU want to live your way without smoke and to achieve this you must become just another sheep in the flock, very individual. OH to think we all derived from the Monkey, I guess humans still haven't really evolved yet, still net to be part of the pack, VOTING FOR THE ALPHA MALE (Prime Minister) and then ths pack shall have to follow.

NOW TO CUT A LONG POST LONGER..........

Does this mean I now have to believe in the religious readings of the majority because in a Democracy the majority rules and the rest MUST follow???????