Mosman Council

[pym]

Mosman council (lower North Shore) have voted to ban smoking at outside restaurant / cafe tables (Vote was 10-2 in favour).

Warringha council were considering something similar for Dee Why, but this got shut down even before it went to vote.

Is this an infringement on smoker's civil liberties ?. Where will it end ? Now, at Mosman restaurants, you will be able to inhale 'pure' exhaust fumes that haven't been mixed with the occasional bit of cigarette smoke.

[jetute]

I am against smoking bans for one reason only..

Its legal ro guy it... but illegal smoke it... does not make sense to me... and the governments around the world have made a fortune from cigarette sales... they have allowed cigarette advertising which years ago was very glaamorous.. Many took up smoking and got addicted... these people would be in their fifties to sixties at the moment..... to tell these people that they can longer smoke almost anywehere is insane..... after 40 odd years of addiction let them smoke.

Today society is a lot smarter... most people wont taking up smokong anyway... but the ones that took it up a lifetime ago, let them live their life in peace happily smoking away..

at the same token (while im defending you) if you smoke in your car... use your bloody ash tray

[Velvet Glove]

its legal to drink yet we have drink driving laws.

people should be allowed to smoke as much as they like but, when it affects others through passive smoking, it should be banned in the areas it affects others in my opinion

well done mosman council. it is a filthy, dirty and disgusting habit.....and I used to smoke before, one day, I realised what I was doing to myself and stopped

[pym]

people should be allowed to smoke as much as they like but, when it affects others through passive smoking, it should be banned in the areas it affects others in my opinion

In an enclosed space, sure ban smoking. However, in open public spaces what is the risk of passive smoking, if any ?.

Has anyone actually performed analysis of passive smoking when sitting outside, 6 feet away from a smoker. I doubt it, and even if they did I seriously doubt that there will be any 'passive smoking' risk, unless of course you deliberately blow smoke into someone's face as they are taking a breath.

Being an ex-smoker also, I do agree with smoking bans in certain situations, however this is bordering on the extreme. If society bans smoking outside of cafes and the like, then perhaps we ought to ban roads outside cafes, bus stops, car parks etc, as the fumes may also be degrading to our health.

[-carty]

I dont smoke, but smoke really doesnt bother me much at all, but it would be alot better if smoking was banned in the pubs etc, so im all for it...

[Cro]

I can see where this is going....

As mentioned before Tabacco advertising was a big money earner for the Government, all of their excises on Tabacco are still making them a fortune.

The problem is, now health costs associated with smoking are cutting the governments profit in half. So the government wants to phase out smoking all together before they start loosing money made on the tax we pay for each packet.

I'm a smoker, I've smoked since I was 13, quit at 19 and started again at 21 till now (24).

In that little time (compared to longer term smokers) I've seen many changes to smoking laws.

1: we couldn't smoke in the work place, only in designated smoking area's.

2: they banned smoking on transport

3: they banned smoking inside shopping centres

4: they banned smoking on airplanes

5: they banned smoking inside places where food was served

I agree with all of these bans except for number 5 UNTILL they setup outdoor eating area's FOR SMOKERS

As filthy as it might seem to a non-smoker we were given these on the street area's to light up as we saw fit.

The problem is many non-smokers didn't see it this way. They thought it was nice to eat outside and therefore started complaining about people smoking around them....

Before you disagree with me on outdoor eating area's being setup for smokers, ask yourself when you first saw a resteraunt/cafe place tables and chairs on the street. Was it BEFORE or AFTER smoking was banned in eating area's.

All this boils down to one point, if you don't want to be effected by smoke when you sit down and have your meal/coffee/perve/tugg/whatever GET THE f*ck OUT OF THE SMOKING AREA.

[XR6ISM]

Personally I dont agree with whats happening. I understand that some people will complain about smokers and passive smoking but isnt this why we have outdoor seating areas. Some establishments even have 2 outdoor sections, 1 for smokers one for non smokers. People that dont smoke have the right to choose if they want to sit next to a smoker or not, smokers on the other hand have limited choices. You sit outside where you can smoke.

But lets put the people asside for the time being, how is this going to impact on small business ie, cafe owners. I go to a specific cafe every thur with my friends and 8 people out of 10 that go there smoke. Must 8 people stop smoker in the out door section for 2 people. An even better questions is are those people going to continue going to these cafes?? I know I certainly wouldnt.

I do agree with bans in enclosed places, but come on, outdoors. Get real!!

My 3.14 cents worth

[tab]

The Qld government have recently decided:

From 1st Jan 2005, ban smoking:

- at controlled beaches

- within 10m of children’s playground equipment

- within 4m of building entrances

- all sports stadiums

From 1st July 2005, ban smoking:

- all indoor areas of licensed premises

- all outdoor areas where food or beverage is served

From 31st December 2005:

- ban the display of all tobacco products in all retail outlets

I think it is going a bit over the top as it seems that all of this is being pushed by the so-called health risks. You can prove anything you like using statistics through cunning manipulation, and like others have hinted prior it will not be too long before alcohol bans take a similar path. Hell, maybe we should also ban swimming, think of the burden that it places on the community.

Yes I am a smoker, and I also work in the hospitality industry, so either way I'm fukced I guess!

Trent.

[saleen]

Cro wouldn't have a problem. He coupldn't smoke 'em to save himself.

[ms700]

Cro wouldn't have a problem. He couldn't smoke 'em to save himself.

Its funny cause its true!

Cro makes more smoke when he lights a cigarette than when he "tries" to spin the tyres!

I dont have a problem with smokers, its only when they blow smoke in my face that I do. I personally dont like it, mainly because ive seen what it can do to you.