Guest jteale Guests Posted 02/09/04 04:48 AM Share Posted 02/09/04 04:48 AM Question, would not an editing of the ECU give Ford more reason to void warranty claims? They plug in and see its non-Factory?!?!I am putting on a Haltech Interceptor pretty soon and it can be fitted in the cabin (like Xede), so when my Ford dealer services the car or I have a warranty claim the first words are not "Modded car, see you later!" ...Thoughts?Cheers, Jason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpy What's happening? Lifetime Members 1,605 Member For: 22y 1m 26d Gender: Male Location: Steel City, NSW Posted 02/09/04 04:57 AM Share Posted 02/09/04 04:57 AM I see it the other way Jason.A dealer will see the wiring loom where the interceptor has been spliced in, even if the actual box is hidden in the cabin. AFAIK, editing the CPU leaves no trace, as the dealer techs do not have access to see what the actual parameters are in the stock tune. They just see what revision it is up to, and if there is a later one they flash it. Of course the owner then needs to get their own edited tune back in to the CPU again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geea Site protagonist Lifetime Members 4,320 Member For: 21y 8m 18d Gender: Male Location: At the lights, waiting for you. Posted 02/09/04 05:15 AM Share Posted 02/09/04 05:15 AM I think alot of it comes down to the relationship tou have with your dealer. I had the Xede and my service manager knew this and I never had any warrenty problems. I know that if something went bang because of the extra power alone that I would be responsible. But alot of little things that needed fixing were fixed no probs. Just before I wrote it off I had the aircon regassed and it wasn't a problem.I think if you treat your service department how you would like to be treated with respect and curtiousy, that they will treat you the same.Geea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unigroup Member 25 Member For: 21y 9m 29d Location: Sydney Posted 02/09/04 05:23 AM Share Posted 02/09/04 05:23 AM The only thing I don't like is that they need to be tuned by the distributor (I have access to a dyno and all the equipment I would need to tune the car myself) But I guess that's no different to an APS install either (Which I was considering putting on the car !) Good reasons for that. Would you like to have your product featured in some spectacular internet thread like “XYZ interceptor torched my engine man!” ?Back yarding and modding your car can be the most fun you have outside of a bedroom. But there are some things you have to leave to the pro’s and IMHO tuning a car is one of them. Mind you, doesn’t stop people having a go themselves, but like someone said, you play you pay. So when you do melt that piston or hammer that bearing you got only yourself to blame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jteale Guests Posted 02/09/04 05:30 AM Share Posted 02/09/04 05:30 AM I see it the other way Jason.A dealer will see the wiring loom where the interceptor has been spliced in, even if the actual box is hidden in the cabin. AFAIK, editing the CPU leaves no trace, as the dealer techs do not have access to see what the actual parameters are in the stock tune. They just see what revision it is up to, and if there is a later one they flash it. Of course the owner then needs to get their own edited tune back in to the CPU again. I am surprised to hear that the Ford dealers would have no idea the ECU was modified, but as Geaa says I don't expect that I would not have any problems with warranty anyway.All good info, Thanks.Cheers, Jason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pretzel EMS makes MAGIC MUMBO ! Member 192 Member For: 21y 1m 18d Location: Melbourne Posted 02/09/04 07:02 AM Share Posted 02/09/04 07:02 AM (edited) Unigroup,I agree that 'most' players will just keep winding things up and if it goes better they are happy until piston meltdown through detonation etc..I have had a reputable company (As you say one of the Pro's) tune a race car for me in the past (6 Cylinder N/A Falcon), only to have the engine detonate, and when I checked the map it was surprising the engine lasted as long as it did before failure (Which was not very long) So that is why I now do it myself ! And have not had a failure yet (Plus producing more and safer power from the same controlled spec motor!)But I guess as you say, the number of cowboys out there that would destroy things, then go on to claim “XYZ interceptor torched my engine man!” means they cater for the majority of users (Who don't have the right equipment or knowledge) Edited 02/09/04 07:04 AM by Pretzel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unigroup Member 25 Member For: 21y 9m 29d Location: Sydney Posted 02/09/04 07:28 AM Share Posted 02/09/04 07:28 AM I have had a reputable company (As you say one of the Pro's) tune a race car for me in the past (6 Cylinder N/A Falcon), only to have the engine detonateWell then they weren't reputable or "pros" were they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ms700 Moderating Team 10,170 Member For: 21y 11m 30d Gender: Male Location: Sydney Posted 02/09/04 09:03 AM Share Posted 02/09/04 09:03 AM I am surprised to hear that the Ford dealers would have no idea the ECU was modified It is a bit hard at these early stages, it would be interesting to know.The only way to find out for sure is take a "edited" car in to a WDS equipped shop and plug it in.If you play, be prepared to pay! If warranty is too important, leave it stock. Simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAP No boost, no bottle, just my foot on the throttle! Lifetime Members 7,935 Member For: 20y 11m 16d Gender: Male Location: Sydney Posted 03/09/04 12:14 AM Share Posted 03/09/04 12:14 AM I think I will stick to the piggyback, at least they arent as easily detected come service time.Dazza. I would not bet on that.I took my car to have the Clunk checked out by the Ford engineer and when I went to pick the car up, he kindly mentioned that I was on the warranty alert system because I had a APS Piggyback. It is the plugin version and was installed by APS. It is impossible to hide a piggyback and I am sure Ford has trained their service people to spot the plugin loom and stick their head under the dash and see the APS ECU sitting under there. :banghead: Oh well...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jteale Guests Posted 03/09/04 01:04 AM Share Posted 03/09/04 01:04 AM I think I will stick to the piggyback, at least they arent as easily detected come service time.Dazza.I would not bet on that.I took my car to have the Clunk checked out by the Ford engineer and when I went to pick the car up, he kindly mentioned that I was on the warranty alert system because I had a APS Piggyback. It is the plugin version and was installed by APS. It is impossible to hide a piggyback and I am sure Ford has trained their service people to spot the plugin loom and stick their head under the dash and see the APS ECU sitting under there. :banghead: Oh well...... So Mal ... already fitted your Unichip hey ... must admit that I have had very little repaired under warranty ... and I am sure our dealer will add me to the list when I get my Haltech fitted ...I suspect that no matter what we do we are changing our vehicles from Standard to non-Standard and as ms700 says just be ready with the wallet if your mods cause any issues.I mean a dealer if they wanted to (as in the Clunk issues) can determine an issue is acceptable and do nothing anyway ... even with a warranty in place ...Oh well that's life Cheers, Jason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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