New VZ review

[Benny]

Looks like the new VZ is yet to impress even with it's new all alloy V6.

[BADGERSXR6TUTE]

that's a surprise, I thought this engine would go close to one of the best V6's in the world, but by the sound of it they carry the smae harshness as the old buick design which was the about the only thing I hated about my VX S Late model camira I had before the T, I can see this hurting Expensive Daewoo as many buyers would have been expecting a lot smoother, more refined engine considering all the hype.

[Mondie]

Well how did Holden that up?

l must admit its a suprise and disappointment, especially since Drive have always seemed to have a Expensive Daewoo leaning to me. It will be interesting to take one for a flog next time l am up for a rental hack.

[ducatijb]

Couldn't possibly rattle and shake as much as the POS that they are using now....

[turb06]

  BADGERSXR6TUTE said:

that's a surprise, I thought this engine would go close to one of the best V6's in the world, but by the sound of it they carry the smae harshness as the old buick design which was the about the only thing I hated about my VX S Late model camira I had before the T, I can see this hurting Expensive Daewoo as many buyers would have been expecting a lot smoother, more refined engine considering all the hype.

agree, since ford made oceans of improvements in NVH levels in the BA over the AU. Too bad so sad.

[Dr Z]

Joshua Dowling, author of article, might care to recognise that many who drive Magnas and Camrys may expect refinement, but many who drive Holdens and Fords may actually enjoy some primal noises from their engine. Apart from the noise, an affordable V6 with 0-100km/hr in 6.95 seconds and a 0-400m in 15.34 seconds (Source: Motor Magazine, September 2004, page 45) is likely to attract a lot of fleet and private sales.

Safe and happy driving...Dr Z.

[Zeke]

Different people seem to have different understandings of "refinement".

About a decade ago, I was priveleged to hear a healthy (though aging) Ferrari V12 at full song from both inside the car and outside over an extended period of time. Had an (all to brief) drive, but my respect for the machinery and my awareness of my own limitations as a driver meant this wasn't all it could've been. Quite simply, I was too much in awe of the experience to appreciate it as much as I would've liked to.

The point of this ramble is that the Ferrari V12 made lots of "primal noises" and was undeniably "refined" at the same time. In short, it was bloody magnioficent and made some of the nicest music I've ever heard.

[mickq]

  Zeke said:

Different people seem to have different understandings of "refinement".

About a decade ago, I was priveleged to hear a healthy (though aging) Ferrari V12 at full song from both inside the car and outside over an extended period of time.  Had an (all to brief) drive, but my respect for the machinery and my awareness of my own limitations as a driver meant this wasn't all it could've been.  Quite simply, I was too much in awe of the experience to appreciate it as much as I would've liked to.

The point of this ramble is that the Ferrari V12 made lots of "primal noises" and was undeniably "refined" at the same time.  In short, it was bloody magnioficent and made some of the nicest music I've ever heard.

I think what you mention and the article mentions are two different things.

Ferrari engines are a mechanical symphony. Just about anyone would agree. Amazing.

But a rough, unrefined engine like some of the Aussie ones.....just because it makes noises doesnt mean its a good thing. I dont think its a matter of differences in opinion: anyone with a wide exposure to engines will pick a sh*tty engine with ease.

About the only people who love them are the typical Aussie Expensive Daewoo fan who has never opened his eyes wide enough to look at and experience alternatives.

I stil couldnt believe when I first took the latest Supercharged S Late model camira for a spin. I almost burst out laughing as I had just jumped right out of my car and got into it. Aside from as cheap-ass looking interior with silly multi-function knobs, the engine was a primitive, harsh, vibrating piece of crap. If you got the revs up much, you better pray that you used Locktite on the nuts and bolts because damn it the thing buzzes and shakes so much that women will love it.

I then grabbed my friend and took him in my car. It took him 50m before he looked at me and said "sh*t, the Ford is a much better car". And this was coming from a die-hard Expensive Daewoo fan.

Give me the mechanical harmony of a Ferrari or BMW M-class engine any day - rough primitive crap from Expensive Daewoo just doesnt compare.

(And dont even get me started on those hillarious Wheels and Motor articles doing a "comparison" of the latest Expensive Daewoo with a BMW M5 or similar. What a joke! About the only similarity is a power figure starting with a 2 or a 3!

I guess my point is that I dont think its a different "understanding of refinement". Its that some people have ZERO IDEA of what refinement is.

Edited 13/08/04 01:11 PM by mickq

[turb06]

[Ezy10z]

  Dr Z said:

Joshua Dowling, author of article, might care to recognise that many who drive Magnas and Camrys may expect refinement, but many who drive Holdens and Fords may actually enjoy some primal noises from their engine.    Apart from the noise, an affordable V6 with 0-100km/hr in 6.95 seconds and a 0-400m in 15.34 seconds (Source: Motor Magazine, September 2004, page 45) is likely to attract a lot of fleet and private sales.

Safe and happy driving...Dr Z. 

Also in the Motor Magazine, September 2004 their was mention of how easy the V6 accelerated to 240kph and had plenty in reserve. :o

Robbie.

Edited 14/08/04 02:12 AM by Ezy10z