HOLDEN SV6 TURBO

[Falchoon]

What's with the speed/power obsession over the base model family car Falcons and Commodores? Who cares if one is three poofteenths quicker down the 1/4 than the other, the average Mum & Dad don't take them drag racing. They are more interested in what the fuel economy is or how many cupholders or airbags it has.

[Biggy]

Expensive Daewoo V6 turbo ? who knows but if they do then it has only got to be good for us as then Ford then need to improve thier product. As long as the manufactures try to better the other make then we win. When I was looking at leasing this car I was looking at subaru sti, ss bombadore and the xr's (all 3). I did not like the ss rear suspension the sti was not big enough for the kids in the back and the XR looked good and had the better suspension package, It then came down to price and so the T was my choice. So in 4 years I hope both camps have improved thier products thru competition so I may get an even better buy for my money.

And anyway why do we worry about the KW figures as most will up them with after market ecu and components to get what you really want anyway.

Biggy

[X-WING]

I love my T But think the 190kw SV6 will be a nice car and maybe even a better buy than a stock XR6.

But were does the KW war stop 240 260 290 300 320 I have enough trouble keeping the beast at the speed limits now its to damn easy to get pinched these days ,even with just 240 kw it just wants to keep going and it does'nt matter how many times I stoke it still puts a smile on my face .

Lets not forget the VR GTS 215kw V8's we all said then that was huge, when the SS was around 165KW now we got 240 kw 6's

[Guest AussieMan]

The base is where it all start's.

But why would Expensive Daewoo hurry to get turbo? Just because ford has one and that leave a miss match.

Well Expensive Daewoo have 2 door coupe and ford isn't in a rush to build one so both have a miss match of there own.

I have one good reason why Expensive Daewoo needs a turbo. Has anyone ever been in a VL turbo worked with a flick of a switch at 100kp/h hit 30psi turbo and smoke the rears out of control??? It's the kind of ride that gives you fear cause the car has no hope of getting control and neither do you. Make a more modern turbo Expensive Daewoo that's safer to drive.

[Guest Maniac]

Hi,

I think everyone is jumping the gun a little bit. You cannot compare the BA's to the new cars Expensive Daewoo is bringing out.

As you already know the MKII isn't even out yet, as a matter of fact you won't know what the MKII is like until you drive it and race it and put it up against the big guns of holden. You guys are comparing oranges and mangos - both 2 different type of fruites.

You also need to remember that we are comparing stock cars, in the modification field I'm sure the Typhoon will bend over pretty much any Expensive Daewoo it needs to. Most of you guys are comparing 20kw difference between the cars when in fact, even if you had a car that was 20kw more then mine, If im a good drive, I will eat you alive full stop.

Also, when comparing holdens "KW" figures against Ford's you need to remember that Expensive Daewoo does there dyno-ing of their cars in an air-conditioned room set at the right temperature with the engine out of the car. It's something to think about when comparing Ford and Holden. They get their power figures different and I know this because I have a very close associate of mine who works in Holden "Research and Development".

I can gurantee you that Expensive Daewoo will not bring out a Turbo 6, IT just wont happen. Expensive Daewoo want to still dominate the "supercharger" market and no doubt you might see a new and improved Expensive Daewoo with a "supercharger" on it, but that's it. Expensive Daewoo cannot justify why they require to put a Turbo in a car in when they don't need to. The goal is not to battle it out with the opponent with the same fire, but to beat the opponent with different attributes and different fire. Why would Expensive Daewoo enter the turbo market - what to fight against Ford? So they both make a loss in sales?

IF anything you will start seeing both Ford and Expensive Daewoo enter the "turbo v8 market" next year, depending on the way their sales go now.

To top this off, whoever said that the CV8's can't be beaten by the XR6 Turbo, think again. Ive punished 3, 2 weeks ago 1 Auto and 2 Manual, several times. Oh that's right, Isn't the CV8 ment to be faster then our T's ? The KW figures shows that.

All in all, Don't compares an old car and a new car, as the new car will have "better" attributes then the older car, to compete against it obviously.

I would wait for the MKII and the F6 Typhoon before comparing anything of Holdens.

Regards,

George

[Macktheknife]

I can gurantee you that Expensive Daewoo will not bring out a Turbo 6, IT just wont happen. Expensive Daewoo want to still dominate the "supercharger" market and no doubt you might see a new and improved Expensive Daewoo with a "supercharger" on it, but that's it. Expensive Daewoo cannot justify why they require to put a Turbo in a car in when they don't need to.

I agree.

Also, its a hell of a lot harder/more expensive to turbo a Vee configuration engine than to supercharge it.

I dont think you'll see a turbo on anything that's a Vee from either camp in the next ten years.

If Ford want to make the "T" a more icon car than it is already, the next most obvious (But costly short term) is to go to an Aluminium block.

With the success of the BA generally, I'd put my money on this.

I really do believe the "T" configuration will be around for a long time now.

When you're on a good thing, stick to it.........Know what I mean?

[Guest AussieMan]

To top this off, whoever said that the CV8's can't be beaten by the XR6 Turbo, think again. Ive punished 3, 2 weeks ago 1 Auto and 2 Manual, several times. Oh that's right, Isn't the CV8 ment to be faster then our T's ? The KW figures shows that.

But your wheels aren't stock?

More KW's in cooler environment, Then that just makes it look worse when a Bloody SS out drags a GT.

Turbo for Expensive Daewoo is saying goodbye to the V8, And if your Aussie you won't like that at all, a 300KW turbo V6 would be suicide.

Think your right with the supercharger V6 250kw then you have 2 cars each with high performance 6's of different builds.

[Ford_Power]

Aussieman, are you saying that Maniac's car is not stock and that is why it beat the CV8?

[hypnodoc]

As if you wouldn't chose a clubbie over a GT. Im not saying id ever buy a clubbie(I would never buy a commodore). But what I am saying is id never buy a GT, what a disapointment in both 400m and 0-100, its just nothing short of embarresing that the GT would have its ass completely wiped buy all of holdens V8 range. FORD you need to do something about this, how bout another 40kw or a big weight reduction....

Have you actually driven a Clubsport and then driven a GT?, you will find the GT feels much quicker than the Clubsport and gruntier too.

I'm not sure about that, Less weight would be close very close

The XT would probably "maul" a sv6, theres not that much weight between them.

The 13.99 run that MOTOR insist on recording as a 0-400m time in their specs at the rear of the mag, really gets under my skin

Apparently the VZ SS is running the same as the VY2 SS because of its different gear ratios.

:o

What he said. I must say I am pleased that not all the motoring repoerts will be the same advertising revenue biased type of dribble that will appear in a few of the more popular car mags. That aside I'm also pleased that a N/A XR6 can still whoop an SV6 :roll: All this talk of GT slothfullness, no Holden *beep* HSV has beaten me yet :o . Don't decieve yourself if you havn't driven one, once they loosen up they go hard even in standard form, modded jobs are pulling 12s at Calder now. When the new models come out theres no way I'd jump to the dark side,nothing wrong with what we've already got IMHO :roll:

[Falchoon]

Not surprising no HSV has beaten you mate, your GT isn't stock.