phase 1 fitted

[Dr Z]

  turb06 said:

  dingah2 said:

Just a thought.....

Phase I unichip plus Injectors = 300FWKW with or without springs depending on your individual motor.

Phase II unichip plus (possibly larger injectors - not certain of this having seen the 'other' thread!!) plus cold air intake plus exhaust = another 30 FWKW.

That is a lot of folding crisp ones for 30FWKW

Yeah true, but whats the torque difference between the two, its the torque that's really important isnt it. That might be where the phase 2 becaome a bit better value for money.

Quoted from this thread:

APS Power/Torque/Price numbers

..we see the following Torque differences..

Ford BA Falcon XR6 Turbo stock (unmodified):

Maximum Power: 240kW @ 5250rpm

Maximum rwkW: 175-215kW

Maximum Torque: 450Nm @ 2000-4500rpm

Total Price: $45,085

Ford BA Falcon XR6 Turbo with APS Phase I:

Maximum Power: 300kW @ 5200rpm

Maximum rwkW: 230-250kW

Maximum Torque: 535Nm @ 4000rpm

Total Price: $47,681 = $45,085 + $2,596

Ford BA Falcon XR6 Turbo with APS Phase II:

Maximum Power: 330kW @ 5500rpm

Maximum rwkW: 260-280kW

Maximum Torque: 603Nm @ 4300rpm

Total Price: $50,876.60 = $45,085 + $5,791.50

Summing this up:

1. $2,596 (Phase I) will get you 60kW max power and 85Nm max torque.

2. Another $3,195.50 (upgrading from Phase I to Phase II) will get you EXTRA 30kW and 68Nm max torque.*

* Note also, that at this Phase II level you may want to upgrade valve springs for $880, and if you have an SSS auto, upgrade your auto transmission for $800, plus add a transmission oil cooler for another $400.

Just for further comparison:

Ford BA Falcon XR6 Turbo with APS Phase III:

Maximum Power: 390kW @ 5600rpm

Maximum rwkW: 320-340kW

Maximum Torque: 706Nm @ 4500rpm

Total Price: $54,952.50 = $45,085 + $9,867.50

3. Another $4,076 (upgrading from Phase II to Phase III) will get you EXTRA 60kW and 103Nm max torque.

In conclusion, on a marginal (the EXTRA paid or received) basis:

APS Phase I:

$2,596 / 60 = $43.27 per kW

$2,596 / 85 = $30.54 per Nm

APS Phase II:

$3,195.50 / 30 = $106.52 per kW

$3,195.50 / 68 = $46.99 per Nm

APS Phase III:

$4,076 / 60 = $67.93 per kW

$4,076 / 103 = $39.57 per Nm

To put these numbers in context, a stock (unmodified) XR6T:

$45,085 / 240 = $187.85 per kW

$45,085 / 450 = $100.19 per Nm

Or the F6 Typhoon, using a $56,000 estimated price:

$56,000 / 270 = $207.41 per kW

$56,000 / 550 = $101.82 per Nm

These numbers indicate that APS kits are incredible "bang for buck" with the greatest marginal value in descending order coming from:

1. Stock to Phase I.

2. Phase II to Phase III.

3. Phase I to Phase II.

In conclusion, purely on power/torque/price numbers, Phase II seems to have the least "bang for buck" value, and may represent better marginal value if it is a transition choice to Phase III. Either that, or perhaps APS may one day find a way of "tweaking" up Phase II in a similar way that Phase I was "tweaked" so it offers a better marginal value...dare to dream!

Safe and happy driving...Dr Z.

[turbotom]

funny that you posted that info....

I did a similar analysis just last week.

Yes, the Ph 1 300kW upgrade represents the best bang for buck power upgrade for the XR6T. $43/kW

I would do the valve springs also for PH1, bringing it to $58/kW.

It gets quite a bit dearer after that due to (in my opinion) the necessity to do additional mods for ongoing reliability and safety: trans and brakes.

Trans mods are definitely reqd for PH 2 and above..... I have been quoted approx $2200 for an upgrade which includes a modified stall converter, upgraded components in auto and trans cooler. Should be good up to PH3 spec (hopefully)

Then there is the issue of upgrading brakes also..... add at least another $700 for decent front slotted rotors and pads.....

Ph 2 plus extras $94 / kW

Ph 3 then only costs an additional $66/kW

or total of $91/kW if going directly from stock.

Playing with numbers in this fashion helps to convince me its all worth it. :lol:

cheers

[XR6_ED]

What mods are you going to do Turbotom

[turb06]

What is the cost per KW/Torque of a phase 2 if the T was tough enough not to need any extra strength mods, it would seem more inviting then.

[turbotom]

  XR6_ED said:

What mods are you going to do Turbotom

lets just say it will cost me $94/kw or there abouts. :lol:

[XR6_ED]

  turbotom said:

  XR6_ED said:

What mods are you going to do Turbotom

lets just say it will cost me $94/kw or there abouts. :lol:

NICE

[XR6_ED]

just a quick update with phase 1

..engines and performance is all good,,

...t5 is hang'in in there

....diffs ok,but has developed a leak on the axle tube to diff centre:pinch:

.....clutch is slipping only sometimes at the moment, but I suspect it will get worse with time..looking at a few alternatives now to replace the inevitable...

Even with phase 1 a clutch upgrade looks like a necessity than a possability....

[XR6_ED]

Clutch upgrade is complete now ..

now its time to look at the aps exhaust system upgrade and a set of rear tyres

[turb06]

  XR6_ED said:

Clutch upgrade is complete now ..

now its time to look at the aps exhaust system upgrade and a set of rear tyres

sounds like that will be the first set of many rear tyres.

Dazza.

[XR6_ED]

fronts have plenty rears ..oh well suppose tyre are made for frying