dingah2 Crusty aviator Member 846 Member For: 20y 9m 22d Gender: Male Location: ACT Posted 14/08/04 05:32 AM Share Posted 14/08/04 05:32 AM Just a thought.....Phase I unichip plus Injectors = 300FWKW with or without springs depending on your individual motor.Phase II unichip plus (possibly larger injectors - not certain of this having seen the 'other' thread!!) plus cold air intake plus exhaust = another 30 FWKW.That is a lot of folding crisp ones for 30FWKW more and no chance of getting legal insurance with the big Insurance Companies based upon a max of three modifications per vehicle which Phase I stays within and if you have a SS auto definitely putting yourslef in the need to modify power range.If you are on your way to Phase III and Phase iV anyway what the Hell who cares, but on a comparison of $$s versus FWKW the way ahead warrants careful consideration. Why do you really need 30FWKW more?On the plus side of staying with APS kits as advertised is a form of a progessive systems approach to your upgrades but you really need a clear idea of where you want to end up before you start and of course the much vaunted ADR compliance. Ad hoc changes throws all of that out of the window.FInal thought concerns the APS exhaust system and hiflow cat. I suspect that if I purchased one I'd just polish it and put it on the wall as it is almost a modern work of art, shame to blow all that spent hydrocarbon Optimax soot crap through it and although it really doesn't sound any different it sure looks nice.Dingah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turb06 Dark Knight Mafia Member No. - 666 Member 3,667 Member For: 22y 1m 16d Location: Toowoomba Posted 14/08/04 10:46 AM Share Posted 14/08/04 10:46 AM dingah2 said: Just a thought.....Phase I unichip plus Injectors = 300FWKW with or without springs depending on your individual motor.Phase II unichip plus (possibly larger injectors - not certain of this having seen the 'other' thread!!) plus cold air intake plus exhaust = another 30 FWKW.That is a lot of folding crisp ones for 30FWKW Yeah true, but whats the torque difference between the two, its the torque that's really important isnt it. That might be where the phase 2 becaome a bit better value for money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducatijb Lifetime Members 3,448 Member For: 22y 7d Gender: Male Location: sydney Posted 14/08/04 11:50 AM Share Posted 14/08/04 11:50 AM turb06 said: That is a lot of folding crisp ones for 30FWKW Yeah true, but whats the torque difference between the two, its the torque that's really important isnt it. That might be where the phase 2 becaome a bit better value for money. The difference between PH1 and 2 is another level behind the wheel...believe me.. Torque is a much better thing than peak HPdingah2...I believe my APS exhaust sounds much better and louder than my standard exhaust ever did.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingah2 Crusty aviator Member 846 Member For: 20y 9m 22d Gender: Male Location: ACT Posted 14/08/04 08:49 PM Share Posted 14/08/04 08:49 PM ducatjb.....yup understand where you are coming from, just trying to get some folk to take their blinkers off and think a little outside of the box or kit in this case....increases in perfromance can also be caused by having spent so much money one 'wants' it to feel better. I think Vick used to say the increase in speed was because you were carrying less money.If the original Phase I which was 280 was the point of comparison - no argument but with 300 from Phase I the gap to Phase II closes considerably. Concering torque, depending on how good your tuner is you can manipulate the torque curve fairly signifcantly without changing the Phase mod status and achieve a very different level of drivability. If torque is really the turn then perhaps an auto is not the best idea - horsse for courses though. Care should be taken though that adequate attention is paid to, amongst other things, fuel/air ratios and potential, if you are a rev head, to shock load the driveline with it pouring in too early. In all the APS Phases generally appear to offer sensational value for money but nevertheless represent a starting point to re-adjust new perfromance characteristics to suit your driving and not those of the tuner. After all, you pay the bucks to him and he doesn't have to either drive the car in the future or settle its future warranty claims.Dingah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XR6_ED Member 1,517 Member For: 22y 27d Posted 15/08/04 02:39 AM Author Share Posted 15/08/04 02:39 AM I may be missing the point here ...If the cat on the phase1 is the next limiting factor then replacing the cat with a hi-flow( or for arguements sake removing it)will get you over 250rwkw then that is a cheap and easy performance gain...I'm personally not looking at getting phase 2 (with this current ute)and at the same rate I'm not looking at max-ing out the injectors either.It would be nice with a Phase 1 T in manual form to reach 250rwkw..If it requires me to go to phase 2 then I wont bother...I'm happy with what I've got but if you can gain something relatively easily then why not give it a bash..IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turb06 Dark Knight Mafia Member No. - 666 Member 3,667 Member For: 22y 1m 16d Location: Toowoomba Posted 15/08/04 02:46 AM Share Posted 15/08/04 02:46 AM there isnt anything keeping you to only using the kits to mod your car, you can look at Geea for example, although he doesnt use a unichip.I will be getting a phase 1 and doing my own intake/exhaust/intercooler work and getting a retune on that. It wouldnt look as good as the APS product I am sure but it could work out to be a cheaper option and yield similar results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XR6_ED Member 1,517 Member For: 22y 27d Posted 15/08/04 02:59 AM Author Share Posted 15/08/04 02:59 AM turb06 said: there isnt anything keeping you to only using the kits to mod your car, you can look at Geea for example, although he doesnt use a unichip.I will be getting a phase 1 and doing my own intake/exhaust/intercooler work and getting a retune on that. It wouldnt look as good as the APS product I am sure but it could work out to be a cheaper option and yield similar results. totally agree with u turb06As always there are different way to do things and achieve the same results We can all learn from others members experiences and what works and doesnt work but it always seems to end in a fight..Not everyone want over 300+ rwkw id be happy with 250rwkw and it not that unachievable with the set up ive got already.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voy74656 voy74656 Member 2,039 Member For: 21y 4m 24d Location: Adelaide Posted 15/08/04 06:14 AM Share Posted 15/08/04 06:14 AM Well done Lee - u'r taking me for aquick spirt sometime on the next cruise...I wanna feel that power beneath me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XR6_ED Member 1,517 Member For: 22y 27d Posted 15/08/04 12:10 PM Author Share Posted 15/08/04 12:10 PM voy74656 said: Well done Lee - u'r taking me for aquick spirt sometime on the next cruise...I wanna feel that power beneath me. You will have to catch me first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guests Posted 15/08/04 10:27 PM Share Posted 15/08/04 10:27 PM voy74656 said: Well done Lee - u'r taking me for aquick spirt sometime on the next cruise...I wanna feel that power beneath me. Looks like its time for another trip to sydney vik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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