Ban the bull bar

[plonky]

Fashion over function?

I would think it is much easier to load children/nappies/clothes/toys/bikes etc in a standing up position (as per 4WD) than it is to bend over and place these items in.

Some wagons have hi lift rear doors which makes it wasy, but they still have to bend over to put children into capsules through the side doors.

The 4WD just makes it easier.

I'm not overly fond of the things either, I believe they should be used what they are designed for (off road) but I can see why they have been used as defacto people movers over this time.

They have decent sized engines etc, very different to spastic buses like the Hiace, Tarago etc

The Territory is the only one out in the market place (oh that's right....the Kluger as well) that has car dynamics but is still able to fulfill the role that the 4WD has been doing.

One of the main arguments that people are using to ban 4WD's (via the ban bullbar mantra) is that they are hard to see around in traffic. So does this mean that the Territory will also be maligned?

Does it means that Govt. buses, Prime movers, light trucks, large luxury cars like LTD's etc should also be banned?

Ban the bullbar is just a stealth way to prohibit the consumers choice.

Perhaps commuters (as opposed to drivers who actually enjoy driving) should get off their asses and learn a new skill.....driving.

[sixfan]

So where do you draw the limit?

A bullbar up here is almost a neccesity, hit a buff without one and your stuffed. Kalgoorlie's full of 4wd's, work cars and private vehicles, some of which rarely leave bit blacktop, but do a trip through Norseman enough times and you'll hit a roo if your lucky, a horse if you're not so lucky. So who decides where and when they're appropriate?

RANT ON:

I know, lets permit people who live in rural areas to buy bullbars, say $50 a year to cover administration? We can get more cops on the road to check that only the people who need the bull bars have 'em. Let's make more laws and divert police attention away from the "real" criminal. Just what Joe average needs more pointless laws telling us how to live our lives.....Bloody stupid pedestrians, if you don't want to get hurt, dont walk infront of the car! for F's sake people, wake up and take some responsability.....

RANT OFF.....Oops

don't see why us "bushies" need to suffer 'cause of some stoopid people.....

Landrovers aren't for city streets,

you stupid Bints with pearls and pleats.

leave it at home, go catch a train

and while you're at it, grow a brain.

[plonky]

I totally agree

As a matter of fact, even thought I now live in Sydney as opposed to the bush, I am really keen on buying an Explorer, Territory or an old Bronco.

Should I be prohibited from buying one because I choose to live in the city?

Should I be stopped because I like the style and shape of the Territory/Explorer or Bronco even though I live in the City.

I love the Territory/Explorer and Bronco.

If I had the money I would buy a Dodge Ram with a V10

I shouldn't be stopped from spending my money on what I want to drive....it is the same as someone preventing you from driving an XR6T purely because Turbocharged cars have been scientifically proven to be driven by anti social renegades that want to race people at traffic lights and are an indirect cause of road trauma because of built up sexual frustration from not having a large V8 engine.

See what I mean?

You cannot regulate human behaviour! The majority of people have common sense and reasonableness anad that is why I am a (lone) exponent of the 85 percentile for speed enforcement etc

[Mr X]

And laws are made for the 1 in 10 who have no commonsense.The greater majority are governed by laws designed to protect us from idiots.(and idiots from themselves)Agree with your observation about civil liberty/freedom of choice but not sure what 85 percentile for speed enforcement means.

[Lumpen]

The 85th Percentile is, I think: A Road Engineering term that mean if 85% of cars are travelling at a certain speed along a road, then that is what the limit SHOULD be set at.

IE: in a 100zone 85%+ do 120 then it SHOULD be a 120zone

converesly

in an 80 zone 85% of people do 60, then it should be a 60 zone.

I THINK....

[Guest]

All bull bars should have razor sharp sword like blades on them,you hit a roo it gets sliced up no damage to the car,

You hit a stupid j walker,it gets sliced up ,no damage to the car

How many stupid j walkers are gunna step out in front of cars with bull bars after that.

You can only hit a pedestrian if you are driving on the footpath

J walkers are on the road,the attitude of them really gets me,the way they flaunt the fact a car must give way...sloooowly walllk aloooong looking at you ,you can read what theyre thinking "Ha,wait for me mother fcuker,I aint crossed yet"

All Ts should have razor bars!!

[plonky]

  Lumpen Proletariat said:

The 85th Percentile is, I think: A Road Engineering term that mean if 85% of cars are travelling at a certain speed along a road, then that is what the limit SHOULD be set at.

IE: in a 100zone 85%+ do 120 then it SHOULD be a 120zone

converesly

in an 80 zone 85% of people do 60, then it should be a 60 zone.

I THINK....

In basic terms you have it right Brendon

I use the 85th percentile when I use the radar. It is frowned upon because I get few radar/lidar tickets but I concentrate more on general driving offences.

I concentrate on driving offences such as using indicators, travelling in the overtaking lane, not stopping at Stop signs, seatbelts, mobile phones etc.

[Mr X]

Well that's refreshingly sensible and sane logic Plonky but as you say no revenue for pollies super funds.Sixfan could probably vouch for this,spent some time in NT where open road speed limits don,t apply and found that the average speed Joe Public travels at is between 120 kph and 160 kph,therefore average speeds are around 135 -140 kph,a sensible speed limit in my opinion for the more populous states.

[Buf-Phoon]

  Mr X said:

Well that's refreshingly sensible and sane logic Plonky but as you say no revenue for pollies super funds.Sixfan could probably vouch for this,spent some time in NT where open road speed limits don,t apply and found that the average speed Joe Public travels at is between 120 kph and 160 kph,therefore average speeds are around 135 -140 kph,a sensible speed limit in my opinion for the more populous states.

Except for more cars , therefore more idiots and more useless drivers.

afraid the lowest common denominator applies.

[Guest Elvis Brown]

Actually I saw an XR6 here in town the other day with a very tasty looking nudge bar. It was chrome/stainless and ran the length of the front bumper it was set just in front and above the bottom edge of the bumper, really looked quite “discreet”….sadly no pictures and I’ve not been able to find anything on the web about it….I’ll have to keep an eye out and ask the guy where he got it from.