A dinosaur on full life support

[Buf-Phoon]

  tab said:

  pym said:

Do we really want to live in society where you have to wait 18 months for a hip transplant, no old-aged care, where crime pays because there just aren't enough police to investigate

Aren't we there already?

What sh*ts me, as mentioned before, I too have worked extremely hard to set myself up in life and it wasn't to long ago that I was earning well under minimum wage (I.e. 1st year apprentice) and living 600km from my parents. You see these so called minimum wage earners having a b**ch and moan on tv about not being able to afford to live, yeh it may be tough, but get of your buttocks and do something about it.

I despise our income tax system, the harder you work and the more you earn the more you are funding some no-hoping, drug-smoking, wife-bashing, car-stealing piece of sh*t to do what they enjoy. I realise there are quite a few genuine people on welfare that can't get jobs for legit reasons, but these seem few and far between.

Anyway, speaking of work - best get back to it!

Trent.

Said it before , say it again "Punish Success and reward mediocrity"

[Falchoon]

VG and pym both have some very good points. I agree the Government wold be far better off spend the tens of billions on better hospitals or similar projects rather than cutting people's tax by $10 or so a week.

They should abolish all taxes except GST and make that 20 or more % flat rate.

What the hell is "stamp duty" when you buy a house?

[ZAP]

You guys think PAYE is bad, try to run a business and employ people.

I employ 12 people full time and the Tax $hit is killing me. Not only do I collect 10% G$T without any compensation for doing the ATO's work, I also pay income tax of 30% on any company profits I make. I also have to pay FBT (48.5%) on any fringe benifits (like cars) me and my staff have...oh and I also pay the PAYE tax each month on my staff wages......oh and I also pay 48.5% on my wife and I's wages oh and now the F...ing government wants another 0.7% payroll tax because I employ too many people.

This whole countries tax system is a JOKE.

I have seriously considered sacking all but one employee and making about 5x more in profit and cutting back on my services. It would be a lot less stressful and I would make heaps more money, but I want to make a nationwide company, its just that the whole system is geared towards businesses making losses not profits.

Rant over....

[aaronmihe]

Like VG (and others) I've busted my hump for a few years with two jobs and the like and am now dealing with being in the top tax bracket.

I've got a good accountant, and do things 'by the book'. Ofcourse the really sad case is that thanks to a compulsory grouping of payments my main employer forces me to make (and I'm still taxed at the higher rate) I have a take home pay equivalent to someone making about $15K less.

Tax reform is a sticky issue, a GST ultimately is a fair system becuase everyone pays as they use. But it's about time we stopped having prices on things lifted by duty, excise and all those other taxes as well. WTF can't these petty titles for TAX be called exactly that?

Paying GST on duty for imported goods is not fair, we pay a tax on a tax, we pay tax on 'uplift' prices if we import things and they are subject to a value uplift....

There's so many raods where the tax system is wrong, and so many places where the money is spent poorly. At a government level stupid amoutns of money are spent trying to find ways of spending less money instead of just spending less At my work they've installed a lighting control system that cost a small fortune. It can leave you on the sh!tter in the dark if you stay there too long.... But if staff were asked to turn off the lights then we'd still save power, and hey we wouldn't have spent a cent on that lighting system!

The only true growth industry is tax!

A.

[Scruffman]

OK here another side,

Mother and 2 sons are at home.

Both kids ( 26 and 31 ) took a test which they passed /failed I dunno that meant they are disabled. So mum now stays at home and claims a carers pension. While both the guys get a disability pension.

They have Pay TV digital instatled, 2 networked PC's, XBOX, PS/2, PS1, DVD players in every room plus heaps of other entertainment thigies.. They eat well every day.

So Why are tehy getting so much money from teh goverment for being at home and being bludgers. I have seen real diasabled people making an effort to work at burger king adn kmart. There is ajob for everyone to do. The goverment makes it way to easy for people to stay at home.

I am not saying that there is people who shouldn't be able to get pensions or the dole etc. But there needs to be a limit on how much time that these things are available for. As well as an auditing process to track whats going on.

13 years old and have a baby OK mistakes happen. Have 2 and your pushing it. Three babies and WTF!!!. get someone else to help you free loader.

It is obvious what the goverment is doing at present. There trying to boost the population with the baby bonuses so that in 20 years time there is a lot more people to pay tax. So tehy invest now in more tax in the future. This isnt a bad thing but the 1000 or so they wanna give aint gonna pay for someone to leave work for a year to care for a child.

Get the people who can work into a job but cutting the dole down so it is only enough to live on. Period!

Wayne