Driveline Shunt with our GT.

[JB]

  Mondie said:

Well, l just got the call from FPV l knew l was always going to get.

"They are working on the problem, there is nothing they can do at this time, its a characteristic of the driveline in these cars, the fix could be a few months away, your file will remain on top and we will call you when the fix is available, we will keep in touch blah blah"

So who has experience in dealing with the Office of Fair Trading?

l am pissed off.

Hey Mondie, at least they have acknowledged there is a problem!

Mate I know it's no solution but I have found getting them to admit there is a problem is your first major hurdle

It dauned on me the other morning why some of us have the shunt and others not.................

You forgot to untick the box for the driveline shunt being an optional extra!! :lol:

[Mondie]

  JB said:

It Dauned on me the other morning why some of us have the shunt and others not.................

You forgot to untick the box for the driveline shunt being an optional extra!! :lol:

Its about the only no cost option going mate

They were careful in ther admission of a problem, much emphasis was put on the fact that its safe and wont hurt the car. Of course the fatigue loading on/off will hurt the car, dont treat me like a dickhead, that's why its getting worse. l dont care about that though, its under warranty. l just want the f*cker fixed.

[CDAA]

Hi Simon,

FPV said that the fix is a few months away. Ok, so it's not instant, but it's still a commitment don't you think? Has the car being doing the shunt thing since new?

Can I ask if you love the car besides the shunt or are there other issues? You keep referring to it as a POS, which I would have thought is a bit harsh don't you think. I know it’s a $60+ car and should not have this problem, but in perspective the shunt is coming from a part worth less than 2% of the cars original value.

Sorry mate, I really empathise with you, I really do, but to class a car like a GT as a total POS because your diff has been poorly set up sounds like it's coming from someone that hates the rest of the car as well. If that’s the case then so be it.

I agree this situation is NOT ideal, not at all, but if you love the car and it's only the shunt that is concerning you why not hold on for a month or two. Imagine what it would be like when fixed?

Cheers,

Colville

Edited 12/05/04 04:01 AM by CDAA

[CDAA]

  HSE2 said:

For a fleeting moment I considered canceling my intended purchase and buy the Gt in the showroom at my local dealership.  Possible the nicest GT I have come across and had the perfect list of options for me.

I came home and read this thread and promptly wiped any such thoughts from my mind.

That’s one missed sale because of this issue.  Mondies problem just cost Ford 67k in the here and now.  Keep going and it will cost them alot more in the not too distant future.

Hello young man, it’s been a while since we last spoke. :lol:

Are you trying to tell me that you were serious going to buy a GT and are now backing out because of the potential drive line shunt? Something even yourself admits is a lottery.

These cars are bloody fantastic and the shunt is unfortunate, but it’s not affecting all of them and if the car you want is there to drive, try it first, take it for a weekend and see for yourself. If its not apparent straight away in most cases it will never be.

I have an BAXR8 with no shunt and it’s a dream to drive in all respects. If it doesn't have the shunt it will be a fantastic car to add to your collection.

What are you waiting for and stop procrastinating?

Cheers,

Colville

Edited 12/05/04 04:13 AM by CDAA

[Mondie]

  CDAA said:

Hi Simon,

FPV said that the fix is a few months away. Ok, so it's not instant, but it's still a commitment don't you think? Has the car being doing the shunt thing since new?

Can I ask if you love the car besides the shunt or are there other issues? You keep referring to it as a POS, which I would have thought is a bit harsh don't you think. I know it’s a $60+ car and should not have this problem, but in perspective the shunt is coming from a part worth less than 2% of the cars original value.

Sorry mate, I really empathise with you, I really do, but to class a car like a GT as a total POS because your diff has been poorly set up sounds like it's coming from someone that hates the rest of the car as well. If that’s the case then so be it.

I agree this situation is NOT ideal, not at all, but if you love the car and it's only the shunt that is concerning you why not hold on for a month or two. Imagine what it would be like when fixed?

Cheers,

Colville

Colville,

l guess l am not holding out any hope for the fix, this problem has been around since the days of the AU. l cant help but be a little sceptical of the fix, look at the poorly resolved brake shudder debacle. l am willing to lay bets now that when l sell the car next year, the issue will remain. In the meantime l will keep pushing.

l would say l like the car and enjoy it, but its hard for me to say l love it until the issue is resolved. l may love it once the shunt is gone. There have been other issues that have been fixed under warranty. As the car stands its a POS and l wont back down from that. Its marketed as the pinnacle of the Falcon range and its just not acceptable that cars can be sold into the market with known issues such as this. lts not as though shunt is something that Ford or FPV were unaware of before release. l guess that's the core of the issue and is what really gets my goat up!

Cheers Simon

[CDAA]

  Mondie said:

Colville,

l guess l am not holding out any hope for the fix, this problem has been around since the days of the AU. l cant help but be a little sceptical of the fix, look at the poorly resolved brake shudder debacle. l am willing to lay bets now that when l sell the car next year, the issue will remain. In the meantime l will keep pushing.

l would say l like the car and enjoy it, but its hard for me to say l love it until the issue is resolved. l may love it once the shunt is gone. There have been other issues that have been fixed under warranty. As the car stands its a POS and l wont back down from that. Its marketed as the pinnacle of the Falcon range and its just not acceptable that cars can be sold into the market with known issues such as this. lts not as though shunt is something that Ford or FPV were unaware of before release. l guess that's the core of the issue and is what really gets my goat up!

Cheers Simon

Some very fair points Simon, and I guess it's easier for me to say when I don't have the same issues you have. I guess from my point of view I did with my last XR8 and after 12 months of ownership the problem was eventually fixed. During that time however I still loved the car and everything else about it. When the shunt was fixed I simply loved driving it more.

Let all hope FPV don't let you down.

Cheers,

Colville

[HSE2]

  CDAA said:

  HSE2 said:

For a fleeting moment I considered canceling my intended purchase and buy the Gt in the showroom at my local dealership.  Possible the nicest GT I have come across and had the perfect list of options for me.

I came home and read this thread and promptly wiped any such thoughts from my mind.

That’s one missed sale because of this issue.  Mondies problem just cost Ford 67k in the here and now.  Keep going and it will cost them alot more in the not too distant future.

Hello young man, it’s been a while since we last spoke. :lol:

Are you trying to tell me that you were serious going to buy a GT and are now backing out because of the potential drive line shunt? Something even yourself admits is a lottery.

These cars are bloody fantastic and the shunt is unfortunate, but it’s not affecting all of them and if the car you want is there to drive, try it first, take it for a weekend and see for yourself. If its not apparent straight away in most cases it will never be.

I have an BAXR8 with no shunt and it’s a dream to drive in all respects. If it doesn't have the shunt it will be a fantastic car to add to your collection.

What are you waiting for and stop procrastinating?

Cheers,

Colville

Indeed it has.

I am afraid that procrastination really isn't an issue. The reality is that I have never been completely enthusiastic about the BA in general. Yes I defend the Aust Fords on platforms as diverse as LS1 or Blue oval news, but on more than one occasion I have sampled manual BAs and have come away shaking my head.

After launch I pretty much decided BA wasn't for me and continued my association with a European manufacturer an example of which I took delivery of early in 2003.

Disappointed with the Turbos drive in a rev range I consider important, I was dismayed to find the XR8 to be pretty much in the same boat when compared to the responsiveness of the Au Xr8. I say this knowing that by and large the BA is a better overall package but the XR8 is soft in my opinion. It isn't the driver’s package it used to be. It lacked packaging when released, (being addressed as we speak) but its identity has been muddied by cars either side that do the job as well or better. A very dear friend jumped to a BA auto XR8. Best car he has owned out side of its economy. I like its refinement. But for the first time I find the Expensive Daewoo equivalent to be the better driver’s package. I am not ready to say I am getting old and I would really prefer not to buy a Expensive Daewoo product but I did get a quote on a VY2 SS. In my eyes they are the best looking Expensive Daewoo to ever hit the road. I say this to you because I know we can be adults about it not like some other places and people.

The mistake I made was taking my car to the test drive days. Once I returned and drove home in my car the difference was extraordinary. What followed was a bit of a sh*t fight with BA owners with in the club and some sales staff. I had a cover note in place and funds ready but the product failed the deal. In the end I offered my car for them to sample. One owner took it to 170 in 4th as his benchmark of rolling acceleration up a hill from point to point. The sales team returned from their experience and tore up the trade quote. That’s the real difference in what I have and the product Ford offer now. In all the cars, in all the money I have spent in my relatively short life, I have never taken a backward step. I work too hard to make one sacrifice when it comes to driving enjoyment.

I continued my search for an XR8 replacement with a new Subaru GT emerging as favorite. A last ditch effort by a rival dealership saw development head back to the FPV product. I made a commitment with that dealership to purchase the FPV product and placed a deposit. The test drive was an Auto GT-P.

Mondie knows a little bit about what I signed for and my comments regarding canceling were my way of telling Simon that I am getting edgy and thinking twice. Was the comment serious? Yes it certainly was but its meaning only really carries weight with Simon. His treatment errased those second thoughts.

I am extremely happy to hear of your example and even more so to learn it isn't giving you problems. Congratulations

[Falchoon]

  HSE2 said:

But for the first time I find the Expensive Daewoo equivalent to be the better driver’s package. I am not ready to say I am getting old and I would really prefer not to buy a Expensive Daewoo product but I did get a quote on a VY2 SS. In my eyes they are the best looking Expensive Daewoo to ever hit the road. I say this to you because I know we can be adults about it not like some other places and people.

I've never driven a (VY) Late model camira so I can't comment on the mechanicals (except to read on LS1 forums that they still have engine issues). As far as looks go the S2 VY is streets ahead of S1 and the sharp, angular looks has grown on me a bit but I wouldn't go so far as to say it's the best looking Expensive Daewoo to hit the road. If I was going to go to the 'darkside' I would get a VX. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

[HSE2]

  Falchoon said:

  HSE2 said:

But for the first time I find the Expensive Daewoo equivalent to be the better driver’s package.  I am not ready to say I am getting old and I would really prefer not to buy a Expensive Daewoo product but I did get a quote on a VY2 SS.  In my eyes they are the best looking Expensive Daewoo to ever hit the road.  I say this to you because I know we can be adults about it not like some other places and people.

I've never driven a (VY) Late model camira so I can't comment on the mechanicals (except to read on LS1 forums that they still have engine issues). As far as looks go the S2 VY is streets ahead of S1 and the sharp, angular looks has grown on me a bit but I wouldn't go so far as to say it's the best looking Expensive Daewoo to hit the road. If I was going to go to the 'darkside' I would get a VX. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

Absolutely! I like the fact that with VY Expensive Daewoo shook up the appearance. I think there is a fair amount of Au in VY. I like to tell Expensive Daewoo people that anyway regardless of what I believe. :lol: I like its sharper look. VT and its other numerous iterations were a pretty boring conservative attempt.

[CDAA]

  HSE2 said:

Indeed it has.

Haaa, your always a good read my friend and thank you for telling me about your experience.

I would agree that if you’re not satisfied with the BA models and what they deliver then should definitely not commit to one. I also drove a few VY SS (series 1) before purchasing and found it too close to the driving characteristics of my 1998 AU XR8. Although I very much liked my AU, I expected more from a 2004 model and the BA XR8 was the only one (out of the VY and the Ford) to deliver it.

Mine is a manual and I find it has just the right amount of driver input, aggression and drivability without compromising too much on comfort, harshness and ride quality. The same car in auto form however felt quite soft and too ‘Fairmont like’ for me. Although the auto in the VY was horrid, the car’s performance characteristics were generally retained.

Getting into the VY from the BA, felt like I was back in my AU again with the same/similar firmness, ride quality and harshness of the AU (which was fine for 1998). Not that this was a really bad thing, I’ve just already done it you see.

Having said that I do like the VY SS despite its Holden’ origin and think they look very good and go even better as far as point and squirt. It’s just the other things that made be go for the XR8. I do agree that it’s a little soft with the initial driving experience, but its nothing a good set of springs couldn’t fix if it really bothered you. It certainly doesn’t bother me enough to act, but if you’re after that AU XR8 experience you will need to consider it.

Last thing, torque down low I really do miss and the VY was even worse. Having said that the pull from the manual BOSS above 4k is nothing like what the AU could deliver. Swings and roundabouts I guess.

Great speaking with you (as always).