I just started forza 4 tonight. pretty good game, nothing really new except a few different race combos/challenges (like the top gear bowling pin race) here is the setup I recently built with my oldest boy to replace my previous effort (1 hour wooden clunker). its from 25mm square alloy tube and plastic connectors -easy to build. the seat is a GTST skyline seat on a wooden base which then sits snuggly into the wheel frame using locating lugs, which gives it extra forward/backward adjust although it still has the normal forward/backward adjustment + height adjustment and bucket hug adjustment. (the wheel frame can also slide under the couch if you don't want to use the seat) Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us