Thanks SavageD, I'm not sure I'm that good a liar, I mean I might be able to pull off saying I'm waiting for an EVO, but a Commodore, I mean come on!! I went in to a delaer on Leach H'way the other day and also got the "we don't discount on FPV" story, combined with some crap about how I don't want to add any options as it damages resale value!?! WTF? (translation: buy the stock one I have in the yard here). Suffice to say by the time I was walking out of the yard both him and his boss were chasing me across the carpark throwing suitcases of money at me, but well and truly too late. On the sensors I agree, I would prefer the factory to do it but I know of a car coming in with everything I want other than the sensors so was hoping to just get them fitted rather than wait to order another with them. On that, does anyone know what the wait is if it isn't in stock, I'd expect around 2 months, is that accurate? Cheers Rick