exactly, that & the abs/trc lights really put me off - I dont have time for that sh*t. the rust, scratches & tricky clutch I could live with, but he's firm on 11k for now so I'll keep looking. the other thing I'm reconsidering is that this toy was to be a 3rd car - but now I'm thinking about letting my Ford terri go & then buying a fg xr6t instead. I've only got a 2 car garage, so having the toy permanently outside will be too much of a pain in the arse in this heat. that silver one is just too nice to leave outside & its not safe enough to replace the terri totally, so I rekon a fgxr6t is the best option. anyone want a one owner 2010 7 seater terri with only 58,oookms? might even consider trading it in cheers