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I see your point and don't disagree. I also stick to my comment. As for going deeper I'm kinda over it k31th. Like I said I'm on mobile so its a pita to even comment let alone look stuff up to prove a point. My stupid phone has the farken worst predictive text I've ever used. Imo there is fark all you and I can do as individuals to influence the education system in Victoria which is where I'm guessing this came from so we can only really state our views and move on. That's a fair point Cris. We're not all farked. I would look after and protect someone else's kids or missus as I would my own. Edit: more so protect lol. Ain't nobody got time for freeloaders lol.

I see that there are key points we agree upon that are being separated by definition or pedantry. Legislation needs to exist however that is another issue and I agree that mere words on paper won't stop an ill intentioned individual from drink driving or illicit butt farking. To show why my viewpoint is the best current solution is to point out that we currently segregate the genders and that is societies norm. The fact is that we are separated and I would argue that this does prevent crime due to lack of opportunity. Yes we should share when applicable but that would be rarely,in the changeroom context imo. I can add to fluffs sentiment about change rooms; I'm a dad and a loyal husband, I'm also a normal man and would have a boner from here to Mexico if I shared a room with showering naked women. I can obviously control my urge to run over there and fark them all or start jerking off but it is not a comfortable situation for me or anyone else. There are many people who would not or could not restrain themselves.

Not in every situation but in this one, yeah they should. I take my young kids to the toilet to be supervised on the off chance that some sick fark is in there. Ok I'll give you a pointer mate. Look up the ratio of male on female sexual assaults vs the female on female or male in male sexual assaults. Also look up how often mental illness plays a part in sex crimes against children. Then use some common sense to extrapolate those results to a bathroom environment that has exposed genitalia. Then add some mental illness to the mix. Nothing extraordinary about working that out. So guys, should we allow society to choose their own gender no matter their age or mental faculty, based upon their own private agenda and have grown men and women sharing public toilets with vulnerable children and women based on this decision? The world is full is sick farks and my answer is a resounding no.

Oh you sweet summer child. The world is not an innocent and nice place. Git yo ass over to live leak. George Michael was caught masturbating in public toilets so I guess they aren't just for weewees and poopoos. Nek minute your kid walks in for a piss and gets jizzed on. Fark that sh*t. I'll happily live with segregation of the genders if it helps prevent sick farks sick farking.

Mental health lies at the heart of this discussion. It isn't normal to want to chop your cock off and grow a set of tits. Your comments appear to suggest that because these things happen we should ignore them when making decisions for society because they will happen anyway. There will be evidence of my allegation and if you really want it then look it up. I'm on mobile right now and cbf. Unfortunately yes. I think the number of farked people that need help or shooting is much higher than 1%. If just one person is affected by another person's deliberate actions then we need to address the problem. It is common knowledge that thousands of people are affected by the issues that we are discussing. Ps we don't live in America. We don't have amendments. Agreed fluff. I can bench your bodyweight in one arm and you can make babies. There is nothing in the world that can make us equal in those regards. It doesn't detract from either of our self worths and doesn't make one of us better than the other. We are just different.

Do you even lawyer bro? We have legislation, police that enforce it, lawyers that say it wasn't me, witnesses that say yes you did and a judge that decides which evidence holds greater weight. It is less likely for assaults to occur, mainly against females, if we separate genders, especially if there are mental health issues present. Kinda like it's less likely for life changing accidents to occur because we impose "abritary" regulations upon sex, drinking and driving etc.

Ironically the formation of the majority of our legislation is based upon the suppression of malicious intent. Just recently in the news there was an article of a 15 yo girl that was railed by 25 dudes in the school toilet block. Who thinks that it's ok to let the younger kids near that situation? Raise your hands. Imho if anyone thinks that there would be no negative consequences with mixed gender toilets combined with gender disorientation/mental illness they are being naive. In a perfect world it would work. Unfortunately this world is far from perfect.

Character attack, strawman logic combined with a false dichotomy. The hallmarks of a great debater. We aren't talking about drunken clubbing, the topic is about whether children can define their own gender and whether it is suitable to integrate this ideology into mainstream society. Would you want your 4 year old daughter sharing a toilet at school with 13 year old boys?

Awww thanks K31th. 1. Agreed. Except when this rule is abused and there is some horny dude jerking off in the cubicle next to my daughter. It is 100% likely this scenario will occur in some form. 2. Agreed. That's why we tell them that boys have a pen*s and girls have a vagina. 3. Somewhat abritary but certainly not entirely. Genetic abnormalities aside, do you have a pen*s? You're male. If not then you're female. 4. Agreed. 5 year olds know what they're taught and use their limited use of logic to extrapolate imagined situations. Our job as parents is to define what is realistic and what is not. 5. Herpes is fairly benign but we should still seek a cure. Without opening a can of worms I feel that an individual would have a greater quality of life if they are not in distress especially something as firmly ingrained as gender identity. To recap and be clear imo any disorder should be cured if it can increase the quality of life of someone. I'm all for sharing the same toilet as it means little to me. As someone who has been online since for a long time I'm not sure I trust that everyone would act in societies best interest while peeing/pooping.

Haha k31th you avoided her question. Good chat. Here's my take. Men/boys have a pen*s and women/girls have a vagina. If you wish you were the other gender then that's fine but tough sh*t, you're not. If you believe you are then you're mentally ill. There is a reason that we have legal ages for sex, driving, drinking etc. It's because younger people are incapable of making informed decisions that may drastically affect their lives later. I could go on but cbf. Edit: I can say vagina but not pen*s. Sexist much?

Mmm Hondas. Brb installing vtec in conjunction with vct on my ford. Actually I'll do no such thing. I just made the kids a raspberry smoothie, gave the cat some wet food and cleaned the kitchen a little.

Yeah that place will be the chook shed.

I'd come and drink some. The wife is sleeping and told me not to wake her up with stuff that doesn't matter so I don't like my chances of arrival. Lemme try again in the morning lol.

Roast chickens are 6 bucks. I'd eat one per day if I lived closer lol. I've saved several thousand since I've been a member. In saying that we home cook everything and spend less than $50 per month on takeout.

I'm pretty sure male strippers are very well paid and also bang the hell out of the entirety of the female population of the party. At least that's what the internet told me so it must be true.

Faceballs had a list from what I've heard. Most is cheaper but some is more dear in my experience. I know I've said this already but I'll say it again. I walk through the shop with the coles online catalogue open on my phone.

Haha nek minute we see that Jet has collaborated with Aaronm, done a welding course or 3, bought a couple of welders and built his own turbo setup.

Haha too true. My wife is changing our daughter as we speak.

So yeah, in other news I'm looking to buy another house. It won't be for another 18 to 24 months, perhaps sooner if I don't spend more money on my car. I'm thinking it'll be in the Barossa Valley although I did find some suitable places around Mount Gambier. Obviously places for sale now may not be available then but I'll be keeping my eye on the market. This time I'll be aiming for 10+ acres and at least a 4 bed, 2 bath house. The missus suggested a road trip in October extending to the eastern parts of Victoria. My current house was/is just a stepping stone to get out of renting and I'll be glad to move to a nicer, more modern place. Edit: Awww look at dat widdle baby.

I was teaching my wife to recognize a note and copy it yesterday. She started out by singing every note a fifth apart from me no matter where I went. It was hilarious to me at least that she could harmonize without being able to sing a nursery rhyme in tune. It took us just a few minutes to get her to hit the same note as me. Then she cracked the sh*ts and walked away. Learning new things can be like that I guess.

Morning all or should I say afternoon. After politely doing my nut at some carnts across the road for their loud music, today is turning out alright. Hey K31th, if you can count to 12, understand algebra and aren't tone deaf then you can understand music. Some of us are born with musical ability or any ability for that matter, but all of us have to practice our arses off to get good.

If I knew anyone here I'd be visiting in a heart beat. Literally the only person I've met in sa is jet. I spose I could rock up with maccas and vodka and hang out in his garage.

I don't know K31th. I just kinda lost interest as I don't have anyone to watch it with. I like the idea of watching it but I'd have to hide myself away in the shed or something to get any time to myself.

Ha I used to watch the cricket. I loved it. I haven't watched it in earnest for about 6 years.

I think you've been watching too much cricket man.