lol I was at the Expensive Daewoo dealer looking at a ve gts in the car park, and a salesman about 20-25 walks up and starts talking about it. he then asked about my car and I pointed it out and he said "oh, a ford... well at least its a turbo... I've heard those turbos go allright, make up for the fact that its a 6 almost..." so I said "yeah, mines got a few basic mods, 285rwkw, so it'd probably be a little bit quicker than this"... than he says "yeah, but mines got an exhaust, so it was 307kw standard and now its up around 400kw..." you'd think a sales person would know the difference between flywheel figures, and rear wheel... also, if I start talking about power levels, injectors, turbo sizing and the like, you'd think hang on a minute, theres no bullsh*tting this guy about a 93kw exhaust gain... as a side note, I highly doubt the car was his, it was the only ve hsv there, I think the manager probably owned it...