I must concur with what is written above... I went car shopping with a mate of mine on the weekend, he's sick of his V8 though it does 12's... and is looking for something with similar go but more show... we priced 13 year old M3's (his car is 3 years old) and similar Audi's and the like and they want twice what his car is worth (20K) and even more and ARE slower, DON'T have the same interior space as his car, ease of servicing, cheap parts, but they have the badge... you want an Audi that stops, go's and turns like his car you are looking at the A6 4.2L Quattro (60k if you can find one, and they won't be $1,000 a year to insure for a 24yo...) , and his car still stomps it in a straight line... I reckon it's all up to what you are prepared to put up with... granted some cars for some reason just won't come right... but I think on the whole they are the exceptions that prove the rule... Jack