your opinion mr matestyk, I think the ve looks horrible from behind, looks a bit average from the side with those weird guards more so the front guard. front looks great, all on all very much like a lexusish look, that's my opinion, I much prefer the smooth ,lines of the bf ford. didnt think I said mines the fastest car on the road either, but there arent many s/c ve commodores out there yet. youd also be surprised between moddified 4l turbo vs 6l s/c in street trim on the road mate comes down to traction, 6l s/c may make more power but does this make it faster on the street? no offence bud all in a days fun, looking forward to seeing what whips my ass then I will congradulate them.