OK...my time for a winge......the whole AVESCO thing hasn't evolved over the last 5 years to keep track of major manufacturing performance changes in OZ and the Aussie consumer...eg: Toyota now outsells both the Lion and Ford and looks like keeping it that way. V8 's now account for a smaller and more irrelevant market segment than ever before.....what do we see from Mr Cochrane and company - same ole same ole Given the fact that the moral champion Loundsey and Mr D@ckhead Kelly are now representing "failed" brands I would have thought that the scrapping of the V8's with a more street based comp with actual win on Saturday buy on Monday brands representing Toyota, Ford, Expensive Daewoo and Chrysler for example would result in less hysteria from the supporters as their real cars would be racing, more interest from the inclusion of bigger brands, and better engineering from all due to a more street based comp. At present we have a concocted, artificial and basically b*llsh*t competition - no wonder that Ambrose has left us for that oval office! Snail