Um, 12's down the quarter in standard trim isn't fast? And Aussie vs German quality - there is definitely no comparison. Come to think of it, Aussie vs just about anything other than American and the Aussie cars are put to shame. Even the Brits are doing it better these days. The one-eyedness of this forum is amazing and funny. I suggest you guys actually go out and take other cars for a drive before making baseless comments. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hey half wit, where did I say that we built a better anything, I said it (the M5) is not Oz built, and where is this mythical track where M5's run 12's and was it 12.001 or 12.999 ?? Try reading first and no apologies for loving Fords or Australia, tis my right, by the way several air lines run flights to Germany, get on one <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Firstly, Sorry if I misunderstood what you said about the Phoon being Aussie built. I thought you implied that Aussie cars were better because they are Aussie? Is this correct? I like the way you're thinking... Secondly, the M5 runs high 12s down the quarter. Look it up yourself. I cbf. Thirdly, you took 2 swipes at me when my post lacked any animousity. Not that I really care, just goes to show your immaturity and possibly your IQ, I guess. I stand by my comment that unless you have ever owned, driven, or ridden in one of these cars (looking at one through a barrier at the motor show doesn't count),your opinions will change. I'm not telling you to stop loving Fords and to start becoming a Europhile, I'm just saying open your eyes to that fact that there may actually be a better car out there than a Ford Falcon (SHOCK!! HORROR!!!). I also understand that my comments will get me no-where on a Ford XR6T forum, but really - look outside the square and open your eyes a bit.