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Okay, that makes sense and is obviously why King Springs don't recommend them for the BA. Just had another look at the catalogue and see that they even offer a KFFL-57SSL for the AU! :oohwoah: At the back of the catalogue, in the 'Super Low' section, the superlow application recommended for BA XR vehicles is indeed the combo I have. And, as I'm only running 18" wheels, I suspect that the 57SL on the front would be too low for me.

You 100% sure about that mate? I'm pretty sure I've got KFFL-57 and KFRL-68SSL on mine and that they didn't specify a KFFL-57SL for the BAs (I think that part was only recommended for use on AUs) in their catalogue?

Thanks for thinking of me Max. Unfortunately for me, the missus is away in Peru for work, so it's just me and the girls - and somehow I don't think they'd appreciate the cruise, much as they like being in the car. My brother may have been able to have babysat the girls for me had he and his wife not just had their first bub yesterday! Maybe next time, enjoy the cruise guys! Jeez, that must feel awesome. One of these fine days you're gonna have to take me for a drive Max, just so I can see how 350+rwkw (in the six speed!) compares to an XR6T with 'only' 300+rwkw (with the four speed ).

In that case, probably not then. Yes, it's one of those things that's very difficult to describe over the internet. Many people have said that replacing the centre muffler with twin hot dogs make little difference to how loud the car sounds. Having done it myself, I would seriously debate that. Sure, once the car is warm (cold starts with the higher idle and the car definitely sounds a lot louder - to my ear anyway!) and idling very low, it may be difficult to tell, but as soon as you touch the throttle, it's obvious the zorst ain't stock. I can only imagine how loud the staright through pipes must be!

I had exactly the same concern when I first had mine done. As it was one of my 'stealth' mods (having been assured by others on the forum that hot dogs made just a little difference to the note), I nearly cr@pped myself when I first started the car - it was LOUD!!! I guess it just goes to show how different tastes are - some find the hot dog option too 'soft' and prefer the straight through pipes, I'm very glad I opted for the hot dogs! But, if it's any consolation, it actually does get a little quieter over time as the carbon builds up. Mine is now at a comfortable level where it's certainly not obnoxious under light throttle applications but has a purposeful note to it when giving it a bit of stick.

I think that a number of people who have fitted SSLs on the rear (myself included) have trimmed their bump stops.

Not once it's modded! Sorry to hear mate, but if you could afford a BF MkII in the first place, then afford to have it massaged to the tune of 330rwkw, I reckon you can afford an engine rebuild. You'll regret selling it and, once the internals have been done, you'll be able to make your power with absolute peace of mind.

Adam, are you referring to the upgrade kit that is basically the same as the Ford premium brakes? If so, I think the calipers Hazey has are different. I'm not 100% sure, but I think the PBR kits supply C6 calipers and 325mm rotors - Hazey has C5 calipers and 355mm rotors. But both appear to be the same 32mm thickness. And, as you know, the BA premium brake package uses the same rear calipers as stock - the PBR upgrade kit just supplies them powder coated in red.

PSIFRK - there would be little point in going for 2.5" as the rest of the system would remain the limiting factor at 2.25". duano - I got mine done at City Custom (or is that Custom City?!) Exhaust in Braddon. Can't remember what I paid, and I got the twin hot dog option, but the guys there are very good and I don't recall feeling I was overcharged.

Thanks for the replies guys. I've also heard that the drilled ones crack under extreme use, so will certainly steer clear of them. A number of rotors appear to be out now that are both slotted and 'dimpled' - I guess that's for those who like the drilled look but don't want the associated cracking issues?! Of all the replies though, I'm most persuaded by RAP1D's and Mr Man's responses, as both have come from personal experience. Mr Man actually backs up my own thoughts in that RDA may be a little inferior to the DBAs, and RAP1D's track experience with standard sized DBAs reinforce this, so thanks for that insight.

XF Falcon, sorry mate, but I haven't got any videos/soundclips of my car. :biggun: And just for the record, I was very much a 'boy racer' myself once upon a time, so I understand exactly where you fellas are coming from! But with age came a desire for greater comfort, although I do still like a bit of a (non intrusive) note. I think my exhaust note now can best be described as 'purposeful' wihtout being too attention grabbing! And just in case anybody's thinking of doing it (and I'm sure this has been said many times before), removing the rear muffler would be a big mistake - centre muffler mods are the way to go.

I've had the centre muffler removed, but actually went for the twin hot dog option rather than straight through pipes as I really didn't want to risk any droning - there have been varying reports from members on this, so beware (some reckon there's no drone, others reckon there is, and that was enough doubt for me to go for the hot dogs). I also have a 3.5" MetalCat and am running about 15-16psi. I'm a bit older so didn't want a boy racer sound and I'm very happy with how it's turned out. Quiet enough inside the cabin but has a nice sporty note under load. And NO drone! It's actually pretty loud (bordering on obnoxious IMHO, but as I said, I don't like intrusive exhaust notes) on cold start and idle, but settles down nicely after the engine warms up. deadlydave, I also noted that my system was much louder when I first picked it up. In fact, when I first got it back I thought it was too loud, but was told it would quieten down in time (something about carbon build up in the hot dog mufflers). I'm pleased to say it did get quieter, by quite a lot, to a point where I'm really pleased with it. I can't imagine how loud the cars with straight through pipes must be!!

Could you explain what you mean by "stuffed the factory shocks" please, and how do you know? I'm running King Springs SSLs at the rear and running factory shocks, but so far all seems fine? I also came across an interesting issue when looking into shortened shocks to suit my application. There is a range of 'replacement' (rather than 'sports', such as Koni and Bilstein) shocks by Ultima, and they come in Standard, Lowered (for up to 1.5") and Superlow (2" and over) applications. Now, as per the recommendation in the King Springs catalogue, I am running KFFL-57 springs up front and KFRL-68SSL springs at the rear, to achieve what they call the 'level sill' effect. From memory, this supposedly lowers the front by 10-20mm and the rear by 50-60mm. I know that there is a KFFL-57SL (and I believe even a KFFL-57SSL) spring for the front, but that this was for the AU Falcons and not recommended for the BAs (too low?). So, based on that, I thought a Lowered (10-20mm falls in the 'up to 1.5" category as far as I'm concerned) set of shocks for the front and a Superlow (50-60mm is certainly over 2") set for the rear would be the go for my car? But the guy selling them reckons it's VERY unusual to order this combination? Does anybody know more about this? HEAPS of guys here have gone for the King Springs combo I have, but has anyone also looked for shorter bodied shocks to suit, or have those that have gone for aftermarket shocks all gone for the upmarket Koni/Bilstein stuff?

Hi guys, I'm looking at upgrading my brakes and just wondering if there is any difference in quality, performance, etc, between the DBA and RDA slotted rotors? Rotors aren't very expensive anyway so the cost isn't such an issue, it's just that these two brands keep coming up when talking about rotors and I don't know if there's much of a difference between them (although I note most members here seem to go for the DBA 4000 series rotors)? Any advice is much appreciated!

I'd agree with the others here. I have plain old KFFL-57 upfront and KFRL-68SSL on the rear and, for me, it's plenty low enough. This combo is what King Springs recommend for the 'level sill' look - they do not officially do a 57SL (or 57SSL for that matter) for the BAs - I can't remember their reasoning, but it was enough to convince me not to put in the (AU) KFFL-57SL springs up front. Mind you, I'm not a fan of the 'dumped' look and, IMHO, the 68SSL application on the rear is getting a little close to too low for my liking - it settled a bit after a few weeks and it's now a tad lower than ideal for me (top of tyre is at least level with, if not a touch under, the guard). Front looks great. Be wary, when some people here say they have SL up front and SSL on the rear, I think they actually mean 'normal' on the front (the normal front and SSL rear combo that I have is marketed by King Springs as the 'Superlow' package for the BAs). Hope that helps.

Another oldies vs young 'uns thread. But just for the record I will confirm that, as someone who is probably closer to oldie than young 'un, I sure as hell didn't know what I didn't know when I was young! I'm just jealous 'cos I didn't walk out of uni into a $200K job!!!

It's amazing the junk you can find on eBay... Brembo 'calipers'

That's the first time I've ever heard of a Falcon being referred to as a rich man's car!!! Much as I like my XR6T, I gotta admit, they're as common as hell.

Totally agree. I'm a fairly sedate driver 99% of the time and have had a clean licence for about 15 years or so to prove it. However, one night testosterone got the better of me and I put the boot in to show off to my younger cousin, who had never really been in a performance car. Whilst I did make sure the road was clear, no other traffic, etc, there's still no excuse for breaking the speed limit by as much as I did that night. I won't say how much over I was, but it was a lot - mulitples of what has been said here and certainly licence losing stuff. Anyway, a couple of officers in an unmarked Mitsubishi 380 must have been on the side of the road and caught up to me and pulled me over. It could have been the fact that I had two (empty) baby seats in the back. It could have been that I hadn't lost a point in over 15 years. But I reckon it was mainly my attitude towards the police that helped me. Rather than spending the night in the lock up, I got a severe talking to, an official caution and told to "go home and enjoy your takeaway dinner 'cos it smells delicious". I think they knew I regretted what I had done and that it was out of character, and the compassion, leniency and professionalism they showed has had a far greater effect on me and my driving behaviour that it may have done had they been less obliging and thrown the book at me. I almost invited them home for a beer!!!

Better bloody be, 'cos I'm not gonna be happy if I rock up at 8am and there's nobodt bloody there!!!

Yup, and I'll probably be a good 10 minutes behind that weapon of yours.

Bit of a late starter, but you'd better add my name to the list please.

That's a good question. I've got the Wogcooler but was doing my car on a budget. Yes, it's much better than F6 cooler. Yes, there are much better (both more efficient and better looking) coolers out there. Depends what you're after. The Wogcooler represents great value for money and if bang for your buck is a major factor, then I would recommend it. If you're after higher efficiency and don't mind spending a bit more, then I'd look at other options, including the plazaman setup already referred to. My Wogcooler is allowing me to get around the 310rwkw mark. However, others with similar mods but better coolers are able to achieve this sort of power level (or more) with less boost. Remember that the Wogcooler utilises the stock plumbing, which is quite restrictive. Fitting it was a bit of a pain, although it is sold as a 'straight bolt in' job. The Wogcooler is generally available on eBay for around the $450 mark I believe. Hope this was of help.

There are two common mods that are done to these cars that are a pain in the rear to do - one is valve springs, the other is the actuator. I had both done by C&V and it took them pretty much all day to do (valve springs take longer but the actuator is still hardly a quick job, apparently).

There's some great responses in there and I agree with most of what has been said, particularly that respect, maturity and driver training are probably the key factors. I'm just really glad it has provoked some thought and good debate about a serious issue without turning into a sh1tfight. Thanks for all the sensible and considered replies guys!