Tex & Fluff If I was sitting in a certain metting I would say "thanks so much for sharing". It (imho) is the quiet killer. So many people, both men and women are - for whatever reason - scared to open up to a friend, loved-one, Doctor etc. about what they are experiencing. In my case (when I was younger growing up in a mining town in NSW), there was NO WAY that I would ever think that I suffered Depression let alone talk to someone about it so I tried to hide all those feelings by drinking. Even if/when my mother did see something not 'right' with me, she would say "cheer up" or "snap out of it". How the fark could I when I didn't know what was happening to me so again, I would hide in the bottle. A couple of suicide attempts - obvious now to me that they were attention seekers - and many failed relationships later it was discovered that one of the causes of my depression was the contents of all those friggen bottles so I finally (35 years later) asked for help.......and I received it. Long story...... sorry..... but the guts of it is ---- If you (anyone) feel(s) that they feel sad or depressed most of the time, please seek help. Beyond Blue is a good start or your Doctor but please - unlike I was for so many years - please be honest with them. Anyhoo how many steps did everyone do today? I need some motivation to help me go further than 9 houses tonight