Mate, seriously, the way things are going with big car sales, I would be surprised if even Orion doesn't get a new V8. If it wern't for the 80 mill the government stepped in with in May, Orion would have been a face lift - yep same doors as the AU. AU was such a big f'up and now with sales dropping like flies, you may need to get used to a very second rate V8 in the falcon line up, let alone competitive with the LS2.