Yeah look don't get me wrong, I've done all the numbers and looked at all the data, which is why I keep asking the questions around how good the 9180 really is. Everyone I talk to, Nizpro included say that its not something that you can quantify in numbers. They apparently feel amaaaaazing and the numbers just really don't so them justice. I'm a facts guy also, so find this "touchy feely" stuff hard to accept but can't ignore the wrap that these turbos get. Everyone that compliments them simply says, "you've just got to drive one to see what I mean". I guess the transient response and early boost is what makes the EFR's so appealing for street use. Not sure why the sxe has such high choke flow and appears to like less boost than the efr. I think I'll have to go efr, although might be holding off a little. I'll just leave these here... [emoji41][emoji106]