yeah they are the lowest spring you can get that I have seen mines not that low and still rides nice I am north of the river but will be heading down to freo on friday evening to meet up with some people for an fg food cruise so I could meet you some where to take you for a quick spin and show you how they sit or you could meet up with us in freo and check out a few lowered fg that will be there by the way your brother would not happen to be Lynton would he