Thanks for the comments guys, all taken on board. Yeah, I like the new ICC in the FG's too, but you can't win 'em all! To smickey, he definately said 25x 2008 BF Typhoon F6's (he is the CEO of a dealer group, not just a single yard, so...). Don't think he'd fib to me (no reason to), but who knows? Anyway, time will tell! We'll see what happens. Depends on whether they have one with the options I want, the colour etc. Lightning....