There have been some great points raised in this thread. I've just read it from start to finish. Unfortunately, all you need to do is look at the comments of this morning's Herald Sun article to realise we are fighting a losing battle. When I say 'we' I mean responsible driving enthusiasts (not c**kheads) and the battle is that against the media-led beat up and witch hunt of young males driving nice, clean, well maintained cars. It would be great to somehow begin counter-acting the media beat up (lead in my mind by, The Herald Sun) with balanced pieces in the media showing the side of our community that the scum at Herald Sun and Today Tonight don't depict. It would be great to see level-headed, mature enthusiasts with clean modified cars showing the brainwashed public that most responsible enthusiasts are in fact not hoons and have a high regard for the safety of others. Someone said a few pages ago that it would be fantastic if we as a community could somehow unify to have a larger public voice instead of posting on threads across different forums. If those of us who drive cleanly modified cars could band together and disassociate ourselves from those who are part of the 'chopped spring scene' and the "I'm driving my rusted VS Late model camira at 204km/h in a school zone" scene then we might start to make some headway. Though as I said, the 'anti young male in a nice car' mindset is so entrenched in the public's mind that I fear it's a losing battle.