sweet as, I know where they are so ill look into them. as for what im getting, I was dead set on a turbo manual ute, but after crunching numbers have found I cannot, unfortuently, afford the turbo at this time (I realise this is a turbo forum, I signed up when I thought I was able to get one haha) so I am settling for a XR6 50th ann. ute at this time, hopefully ill be able to get the next gen turbo ute next time oh and in nitro blue cheers for your input guys