Thanks tab and bunna. I can totally understand where you are coming from with the salesman, I have had a keen interest in cars for a long time and even argued with salesman about timing belts so you dont need to tell me what they are like. I should have probably explained myself better in my initial post and said that I did not take his word as gospel and did research. Typical trait of a Virgo, you tell me it is blue I am not going to believe you until I RGB it. Anyway, thanks for the welcome. Looks like the testosterone around here needs to be kept in check every now and then. I have no problem kicking it with the big boys, or kicking the big boys every now and then. Would really love to know if there are wives/girlfriends etc behind all these males?