Yeah I was seriously looking at the Achilles ATR Sports as I can get them for $180 each and people seem to talk them up as good bang for buck, but the being made in Indo was a worry. Right now I am leaning towards the Toyo T1 Sports for $306 each, and they are made in Japan... undecided still, guess that's the reason for the post, glad someone else has the ATRs on and they are upto par. Will really have to look at them again.