yeah, driven em and thought it went alright + I like the look !! maybe, but bitches love it!! already got an 8 I can take cruise round in anyway, this is just for playa status LOL got an old school ute I can use for work anyway, + my ute only carries tools twice per job, first day and last, everyday inbetween tray is empty my jobs usually last 8 months - a year so not really impracticable anyway enough about me spotted a fgII in kinetic today !!