And what I'm saying is, I know how much they (tuners) pay for them and they don't make squat on them at all.. Yes, your business logic should run true, but in this case, it just doesn't.. Thw wholesaler, at a guess makes the $$, Tuning shops make the money on custom tunes.. As for the excaliber 2 coming out, unless it runs CAN protocol, it won't replace our unit. Ford US runs a different protocol, but having said that, 2006 sees new regs comin in world wide where everyone has to run CANbus, so it won't be long before they change over, and hopefully the price will drop accordingly. We are using Excaliber1 at the present buy the look of it , but I may be wrong http://www.sctflash.com/xcalibrator.php doesnt the 2005 Mustang use the same ecu? Rob Sorry if off topic