Geez you see a lot of BS here - listen up, here's a lesson for ya! A leaf spring rear end is LIGHTER than the fancy pants, all singin' and dancin', some catchy name or other, BA IRS. The ute is heavier because it has a half-chassis under it to carry a tonne - and also has a larger fuel tank as has been stated. The great thing with this forum is that for us that dont know too much about the xr6t, except for what we have read on this forum previously... we have people like yourself who are more then willing to correct us I think that we all appreciate your input and in return learn a lot more about the car we drive. I guess the way you wish correct us is up to you. Yeah, you're right. I should show more patience. The post was about the third in the thread that was arguing against a fact that had been presented already and backed up with sound argument and reasons as to why it was a fact. This has also been thrashed in endless previous threads almost as much as "which is best an auto or a manual". So sorry I lost patience. Now, where's my damn valium??? that's alright mate