Thanks for the Feed back. I went to the Main distributer's Head office for TEINS in Brisbane the other day to enquire about the Teins. Now, I may have got the sales person on an off day, however when enquiring about the suspension he really was not much help, almost like he didn't want to sell them to me??? One word answers, very little detail explained etc... He even told me that the edfc was a waste of time and only there for, and I quote "tossers who like gadgets and pushing buttons." What is it with some businesses today? You would think that they would be keen as mustard to sell some products? Not only was he customer service crap, he put SH*$T on his own product!!!???? As a sales manager myself, I would shoot any of my staff who gave that level of service. Ben