im just installing a sub for now, im happy with how the stock stereo is not a big fan of overley done sound systems, subs just a cheap unit anyways so I dont think ill bother with too much mucking around, I might just go with the converter for now, instead of running around and sending off the ICC, maybe down the track if I upgrade the stereo then ill probs follow your steps guys, with installing a head unit and going all out, but for now just a quick solution will probs have to do, thanks again guys always helpfull