Thanks for those reviews, hadn't read a couple of them! What's the handling like of these new ones? Most of the reports focus mainly on the power and straight line times. They say the handling is better, but don't really delve any deeper then that. Like, how would the beast go against something like an RX8, 350Z, wrx etc around the great ocean road or Cotter? I'm a corners man and I'm hoping that they are as good through there as they are elsewhere. But I haven't found a review that tells me lots about the cornering besides that it's better then the last model. The really really tight stuff would be tough for the XR6T as those other cars I mentioned are considerably lighter, but it would be good to know. But then again, like I said in my opening post, none of those cars can tow anything (can you imagine an RX8 trying to tow!? haha!). Although supposedly the wrx can tow a bit, but I don't like Subaru either. I know, test drive them, but I won't be able to tell what they are like on the twisty roads against the competition. Or is the only competition deemed to be Holden? I'll be buying second hand but I've learned to be (ie my girlfriend who is buying the car will make me be!) a patient man to find the right one at the right price. I don't fancy doing sound mods to it as the centre console looks like a pretty tough one to crack so premium sound will be a must as well as manual (I'm pretty sure), and if I can get the tech pack then that would be good. I did see someone else asking the question about whether Ford could add some of those things afterwards, coz that might be an option if they can. Cheers everyone