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I was told they are hard to repair due to the type of plastic and the thickness of it. But apparently the bars are readily available at Ford for $3490.00 + GST

mmm... Ford gave me a new tranmission under warranty when mine was doing this. The changes in most other gears were intermittantly less than stellar as well, but it was the 5 to 6 shift that was really bad, and it happened 9 times out of 10. Felt like another car tapped my ass end midshift cos of the jolt the shift caused. The new transmission, and every ZF I've driven, very very occasionally you will feel a very slight pause in the 5 to 6 shift. But no jolt or clunk.

mmm... Weird. I had a friend who worked at Ford show me the BA manual at the time, and it said 40nm. Then I got a copy of the BF and it said 40nm too. Either there has been revisions in the document, or misprints along the way.

The factory BF manual and factory Territory supplement manual. Is that page from a BA manual? I've never seen a factory manual that lists the setting as 27nm. For the FG's it's 50 to 55nm, yet still 27nm for NA.

Manifold to head bolts are actually 40nm for the turbo. 27nm is for NA.

Ah my bad. Sarcasm accepted as intended. But I know now I fixed my float arm, I have no reserve. Empty is empty. There is a variance of 1lt at most.

As far as everyone that has fixed it can see, its a problem with the float arms being bent. Its not a "safety net" built into the gauge display. A safety margin might be say 5 litres. Not the 10 to 17 that everyone else seems to be experiencing. Proof??? FG: What the manual says it should look like: What a user on AFF removed from his tank: BF: In my BF I had Ford replace the sender 3 times, and still had inaccuracies of 10 to 15l. The manual states above not to bend the float arm. Mine was bent down by about 2mm according to my square at that 90 deg bend. Straightened it out, and now its litre perfect. A few FG owners have talked Ford into getting new senders. Another guy had a bent and twisted rod. New sender and float, now his FG is near litre perfect as well.

Whether it be a BA, BF or FG, the problem seems to all be the same. There is a float in the tank that connects to a metal rod that connects to the sensor. Ford seem to install these sensors badly and the float arm gets a little bend in it. The bend makes the gauge display incorrect readings. A 10 to 17L difference is the norm. My BF had a constant 13L difference. Just a matter of running the tank low, removing the sensor and float arm and straightening the arm. Problem then fixed. All it takes is a 1 or 2mm bend and the thing is up the creek.

I suppose we will have to wait for it to be tested in real life. But I know the new laws have a couple of manufacturers and importers worried. The example of the fridge was one from his mouth.

Thanks... For something that this country has been lacking for a long long time, the release of these new laws was done very quietly. And this may be an interesting way to test them. I think I'd be 100% right in assuming it would have to be the selling dealer. The stuff I've read talks about the retailer being responsbile, so in this case it would be the selling dealer. You might be able to get another dealer to diagnose and take it from there. If its a basic issue, it will be fixed. If it's a major, then back to the selling dealer and start "discussions" It is a funny term, but if you've ever had to deal with Ford/FPV on a large warranty claim, they sure make it difficult and disruptive. My car needed a new engine at 3000km as well, luckily during the previous owners control. 3 visits to check the problem resulted in a request for a new engine. Took 1 month to sort out and she was without a loaner for the whole time and not compensated at all. When I got the car and had a decent look under the bonnet, I was worried I had bought a factory second. Missing bolts, scratches, loose clamps and as I've only recently found a damaged radiator. I had to deal with the damage to the transmission and turbo under my ownership. Both of which were eventually replaced. Hopefully it's only something small and an easy fix. But considering the small number of these that have been sold, the stories and things I've read are a bit concerning. Hate to see a new engine added to the list.

I'd be checking out the new consumer laws that came into effect this year... Assuming you purchased the car this year. If the fault is major, you are entitled to a replacement car or a refund. If the engine has crapped itself, I'd say it was a major, and you could argue as such. http://www.carsguide.com.au/site/news-and-reviews/car-news/lemon_story The link gives you some info on how it works, then maybe a call to your states consumer trading department. Either way the law states, you MUST go to the dealer first and report the problem and allow for diagnosis before starting any action. Then you can attack them from there... Which includes compensation for time without the car, etc, etc. I was speaking with a high level manager who works for a world wide electronics retailer, and he mentioned these new laws and that he had recently attended a seminar about them. He said these laws from a retailer and manufacturers point of view are extremely scary. Consumers can basically write their own warranties on basis of their expectation of how a product should perform and last. Like "My previous fridge lasted for 20 years, and this one has died at 5 years, new one please. I expected at least 10 years of service from it" or "The transmission in my EL lasted 600,000km and I bought another Ford because I expected the same reliability... But its only done 110,000km, new one please". The other great part of these laws is it puts the dealer directly in the line of responsibility for the product. So there is no more fobbing the problem off to Ford. The dealer is legally responsible for the performance of the product as well.