Are you stating that from experience? I wouldnt call a Motec M800 or a WOLF V500 a lesser product if you have actually tuned a car in real time. There are many BAs out there running aftermarket ECUs. Karmens car went 9.44 @145.10mph with an Autronic and that's 1 of about 6 cars I know of with an aftermarket ECU.. Just because Nizpro couldnt get it right doesnt mean that no one else can. Its just shows that were not experienced enough, nothing to be ashamed of.. If you have ever used SCTs Advantage you will just how much of a pain in the bum it really is to use.. Load up a processor code and get tables that have no relevance to the car what so ever. Then load the box, load the car etc.. Not to mention, I can put a 3 bar map sensor on an vipec and it has auxilery outputs for us guys wanting to run nitrous, then there is aslo launch control, anti lag etc... Lesser products hey Dont get me wrong for street and mild racing applications the standard ecu works a treat.. Dave